Epson XP-15000: how to mix dye ink with clear ink base to obtain red and grey using CMYK

[Ink stained Fingers]

My question was about the 105 ink, because it is pigment ink, that would give a better black on Matte Papers.

No, you cannot make such general statements that a pigment ink always delivers a better black, it's always a matter of the ink and paper - the coating - combination how that performs together.
The ET-7750 with the 105 black was designed as a multi-purpose printer with good performance - a pigment black on normal paper delivers a much sharper edge definition on black letters since the pigments are too big to migrate into the fibrous surface , you have a stronger dot gain with dye inks for this reason. You'll find reports here in some forum stating that a dye black delivers the best black.........

https://www.printerknowledge.com/threads/better-dye-inks-for-epson-l1800.13714/post-135732

You can technically swap ink cartdidges loaded with dye or pigment inks, tha's what I actually do on a WF-2010W for test purposes, but this requires you to clean/flush the black ink channel quite intensively. I did it as well on a printer like the L800/L1800, but I succeeded to do it only 2 or 3 times, and clogs got persistent . The L800/1800/805 print with a smaller nozzle size - droplet size of 1.5 vs. 3.5 pl of the WF-2010W which may cause this. Swapping inks this way is not a reliable practice for regular printing.

 

[mavtop]

No, you cannot make such general statements that a pigment ink always delivers a better black, it's always a matter of the ink and paper - the coating - combination how that performs together.
The ET-7750 with the 105 black was designed as a multi-purpose printer with good performance - a pigment black on normal paper delivers a much sharper edge definition on black letters since the pigments are too big to migrate into the fibrous surface , you have a stronger dot gain with dye inks for this reason. You'll find reports here in some forum stating that a dye black delivers the best black.........

https://www.printerknowledge.com/threads/better-dye-inks-for-epson-l1800.13714/post-135732

You can technically swap ink cartdidges loaded with dye or pigment inks, tha's what I actually do on a WF-2010W for test purposes, but this requires you to clean/flush the black ink channel quite intensively. I did it as well on a printer like the L800/L1800, but I succeeded to do it only 2 or 3 times, and clogs got persistent . The L800/1800/805 print with a smaller nozzle size - droplet size of 1.5 vs. 3.5 pl of the WF-2010W which may cause this. Swapping inks this way is not a reliable practice for regular printing.

Ok now i understand your point,

intensive clean and flush of the channel without considering the clog possibility between the cartridge change let me decide to use only the 106 dye black, i was supposing wrong

thanks for your findings and hints

 

[suwaidionlineuae]

Mixing dye ink with a clear ink base is possible, but it must be done carefully to avoid printhead clogging and color inconsistency. For red, start with magenta and add small amounts of yellow gradually until the desired shade appears. For grey, combine cyan, magenta, and yellow in equal micro-amounts, then dilute with clear base to control darkness. Always mix thoroughly, test on plain paper first, and use filtered syringes to prevent contamination.

 

[mavtop]

Mixing dye ink with a clear ink base is possible, but it must be done carefully to avoid printhead clogging and color inconsistency. For red, start with magenta and add small amounts of yellow gradually until the desired shade appears. For grey, combine cyan, magenta, and yellow in equal micro-amounts, then dilute with clear base to control darkness. Always mix thoroughly, test on plain paper first, and use filtered syringes to prevent contamination.

I will use the 80 parts of magenta and 20 parts of yellow to get the Red
for the grey i wll use the Epson 114 grey bottle, it is already ready to use

I have different syringue for different color, so i have one for CMYB

I got 6 bottles so i can fill them with each color CMYB plus Red and Grey, the Red from mix, the Grey from 114 bottle

 

[mavtop]

I will use the 80 parts of magenta and 20 parts of yellow to get the Red
for the grey i wll use the Epson 114 grey bottle, it is already ready to use

I have different syringue for different color, so i have one for CMYB

I got 6 bottles so i can fill them with each color CMYB plus Red and Grey, the Red from mix, the Grey from 114 bottle

I was thinking that maybe we can add 1/2/3 part of Cyan or less to the Magenta/Yellow mix to add more punch to the Red, @pharmacist did you try to add Cyan to your mix ?

EDIT: hmm from color theory RED is created from Magenta + Yellow, than to have it lighter we can add White, to have it darker we can add Black, never Cyan is used, so maybe we can add some Black ? just a tiny ?

 

[Cassiop38]

Hello guys, New user here. I'm so glad i found this forum ! and this topic especially as it is part of my current question about printers... Should i make a new topic ? If yes, please tell me to do so
I just bought a used XP-8700 and (if alive. I revive dead printers and usually succeed... but not always. I was wondering if i can use Epson 107 bottles to refills it. Epson says it is Claria HD for the 8700 but don't specify anything regarding 107 bottles.
thanks

 

[Ink stained Fingers]

I did 1 part yellow and 2 parts magenta for a red on a P400 printer, and 2 parts yellow and 1 part magenta for an orange which got me pretty close to the original inks.

More punch ? no - whatever it means - mixing cmy together will create a partial gray + some color, but you cannot improve the color saturation this way.

 

[Ink stained Fingers]

I was wondering if i can use Epson 107 bottles to refills it. Epson says it is Claria HD for the 8700 but don't specify anything regarding 107 bottles.

The 8700 uses ink cartridges, and Epson does not recommend anything different to these cartridges - specifically no refill with any ink and not with the 107 inks for and Ecotankprinter.

It's always your decision which ink you select and use for refill, and the 107 inks are most likely a good choice if you can handle the refill reliably.

 

[Cassiop38]

The 8700 uses ink cartridges, and Epson does not recommend anything different to these cartridges - specifically no refill with any ink and not with the 107 inks for and Ecotankprinter.

It's always your decision which ink you select and use for refill, and the 107 inks are most likely a good choice if you can handle the refill reliably.

oh oh I do. Thank you for the insight. I've told a bit of my story and how i ended up here in my presentation post if you're interested ! I was using Premium Inks from a GB Supplier for a XP-960 (i always try to go as cheap as possible) but the results weren't great. I'll try the 107 to see if it's better.

 

[mavtop]

Softproofing with profiles: colours that cannot be reproduced by the printer are grayed out.

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as you can see: hardly any difference. Note the reds of the strawberry: Claria HD has a slight edge over the mixed Red made with Magenta and Yellow (80 + 20 parts).

that i mean @Ink stained Fingers is, seeing the original posted Evaluation Images from @pharmacist we can see that original Red (the upper image) is a little stronger of the Mixed Red (the lower image) maybe a bit of Black or more Magenta will give a stronger Red ? anyway after profiling we will have no difference, it was just to get the same Red so profiling could be avoided for the Epson papers listed in the driver, for 3rd party paper it will be always needed.