dye ciss system ...

[The Hat]

issa2011
I would caution you on trying to use a CISS on your HP 7000.
Yes it would work for you but are you ready to work for it.

CISS are high for maintenance and they need constant care to work properly so
I would recommend you either use compatible cartridges or learn how to refill your HP cartridges as a better alternative.

I would guess with your level of experience in printing youll end up being sorry for choosing a CISS
instead of the two other more manageable suggestions I mentioned.

There's nothing angry about my reply. If I seemed angry, then I apologize. You said you didn't understand. The simple answer is to use black pigment and dye colors.

It's OK to ask questions. I don't have many answers, though.

We all know you were not angry ThrillaMozilla towards issa2011 but he didnt and thats what counts here.
So apologue accepted..

 

[Tigerman]

CISS are high for maintenance and they need constant care to work properly so...

can you explain high maintenance: like whta give me some examples ??
i am just got some diffculties in language translate -my native language Arabic- so i understand things after some time
i am have cs in computer i think i can maintain with its requirements.

 

[The Hat]

issa2011
can you explain high maintenance: like whta give me some examples ??
i am just got some diffculties in language translate -my native language Arabic- so i understand things after some time
i am have cs in computer i think i can maintain with its requirements.

If you go with a CISS youll have make double sure its setup right first.
Then youll have to be careful where you get you ink from.

Only use good quality ink and dont use pigment ink in your CISS because it wont work for you properly,
it will clog up the CISS system on you.

On the maintenance side you will have to print every other day to keep your CISS in good condition and
the more you print the better it likes it, so if you cant do that then dont buy a CISS.

Again I can only state the obvious that refilling is a much better option and far more controllable..

 

[Tigerman]

dear The Hat i 'll took your advice seriously i see from your comment that most important factor in ciss is ink ...
i like you to know that i am work in office that do heavy printing at least 100 pages of size A3+ paper, so printing everyday that its done by heavy printing work daily.

setup ciss: there is general rules to install ciss in printer i look carefully to many setup manuals all same procedures not diffcult, i see its easy.

I like just ask you question, we in office use black ink as 95% - we not print photos in HP 7000- we use it for printing building plans in Autocad software just mostle use black color (monochrome), what best ink used ?
as oddparts.com replay me about WJ-1020 to use in ciss they send this answer:

There are different types of pigmented inks. The heavier the ink the less it will work in your CISS. Low Foam has to do with the surface tension. If you have trouble with foaming add ONE drop of Isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol.

The Wj-1020-while it contains a pigment it is lightly pigmented. A true pigmented ink looks like chalk that is pourable.

Pigmented ink has more colorfastness than dye based ink and some customer demand them for their applications. You should not be running a true pigmented ink through your color nozzles-they will NOT handle the load or heaviness,( thickness) of it.

For Wj-1020 you do not need to shake. Look at the bottle- it is all uniform. With a heavy pigment you get settling. (the color tends to settle toward the bottom. ) This wont happen with WJ-1020.

i think there some printers more familiar with ciss than HP, have you any idea i want printer for mostly black A3+ size paper used ciss, as i told u i printing approx. 700 pages A3+ each month
thanks for your valued suggestion

 

[The Hat]

issa2011
If you are going to use a CISS on your HP printer there is a link below that shows you the installation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdAlN7xTC9g

There is no reason why you cant install a CISS on your printer but there are other things to consider as well.
It may well work perfectly for you for years or maybe not that is the nature of a CISS system.

Now have you taken in to consideration what would happen if there is a problem with you CISS and the printer stops working altogether?
If you do so much heavy printing in your office then you may well need a back up printer in the event that the HP stops working.

If you were to use refillable cartridges instead of CISS then a breakdown is less lightly thats what makes refilling more reliable and safer
and you have the added benefit of using pigment ink in your black cartridge.

I noted in your earlier thread that you have ordered a CISS from cityinkexpress,
just make sure you dont use pigment ink in it because it will be doomed to failure if you do.

I know oddparts.com says that their ink will work in a CISS but if thats the case
then its not good pigment ink despite what they say and please only use the inks supplied from cityinkexpress in their CISS.

If you get youre CISS up and running properly you probably wont notice any difference in the inks at all apart from it not being waterproof that is all.
Good luck with your choice and I hope it goes very well for you..

 

[Tigerman]

friend The Hat
thanks for video its usefull also i have pdf manuals for ciss for HP 7000.

i have back up printer in my office its old but it work fine HP 1280.

i 'll follow your advice to not using pigmented ink in the ciss system, i ll keep it for future use. but why pigment so strict to use in ciss system since its the printerhead using pigment-pased ink (oem).?
you not give me any comment about best printer used to be or familiar with cis system ??
*after long time i ll try wj-1020 pigment just to try it.
i ll notice you when ciss become in my hands cause its still in shipping, i want be collect more information about ciss....

It may well work perfectly for you for years or maybe not that is the nature of a CISS system.

maybe!! is it magic why there no half soltion it just work perfectly or not work at all ??? of course there things make it work well and others not please i want you explain more if you could.
Thanks

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

I assume the WJ1020 is Image Specialists ink. I use that in an HP printer, and it's good. But you have a different cartridge type than I do. You should contact Image Specialists to find out which ink is best for your printer. Tell them your printer model and cartridge type. There are several types of black pigment ink, and each is formulated slightly differently for different printers.

Most people on this forum do not recommend CIS for Canon or HP. However, two people have reported on CIS units they installed on HP, with good success. I think it depends partly on the type of cartridge.

Contrary to what The Hat wrote, the printer is designed for pigment black. The CIS should be able to handle pigment black if it's designed properly. You could probably substitute dye black, but it is not as good for text.

See
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4715 (I think this one has the tubing installed on the wrong side)
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=6707

 

[Tigerman]

thanks ThrillaMozilla, i see from two threads there sensitive factors to be concern when setup ciss on printers like level between ciss and printer.
just note you that i am not printing photos i just print mnonchrome plans in autocad (mostly used black color).

all idea in ciss is liquids pressure (Balance), if do it well then second factor is ink, 3rd: cartidges replacment with oem cart. if I do these perfectly then i think i 'll got nice printing.

 

[The Hat]

I assume the WJ1020 is Image Specialists ink. I use that in an HP printer, and it's good. But you have a different cartridge type than I do. You should contact Image Specialists to find out which ink is best for your printer. Tell them your printer model and cartridge type. There are several types of black pigment ink, and each is formulated slightly differently for different printers.

Most people on this forum do not recommend CIS for Canon or HP. However, two people have reported on CIS units they installed on HP, with good success. I think it depends partly on the type of cartridge.

Contrary to what The Hat wrote, the printer is designed for pigment black. The CIS should be able to handle pigment black if it's designed properly. You could probably substitute dye black, but it is not as good for text.

See
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4715 (I think this one has the tubing installed on the wrong side)
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=6707

I was trying to give issa2011 some sound advice which will enable him hopefully to run his CISS system
with some degree of success whether the printer is a Canon or HP is irrelevant in his case.

You obviously dont know anything about the type of CISS that he has purchased from cityexpress otherwise you wouldnt have made that statement,
so I would strongly suggest you read up on it and then come back and give us your two cents worth on it.
Also I would like to correct you on the WJ1020 ink, it is not I.S. ink but in fact its from the Christian ink co.
namely oddparts.com and yes I have in the past use their inks..

issa2011 i 'll follow your advice to not using pigmented ink in the ciss system, i ll keep it for future use. but why pigment so strict to use in ciss system since its the printerhead using pigment-pased ink (oem).?
you not give me any comment about best printer used to be or familiar with cis system ??
*after long time i ll try wj-1020 pigment just to try it.
i ll notice you when ciss become in my hands cause its still in shipping, i want be collect more information about ciss....

You can only use the pigment ink in your OEM cartridges but not in your CISS.
The pigment ink tend to settle on the bottom of your CISS when not in use which will clog up the tubing and totally block it up
(its much heavier than dye ink ) and then youll need a complete clean out of the tubing to fix the problem.

I have used quite a number of Canon printers with a CISS system and had little or no problems while using them
but again I have to say that they need constant care and attention to keep them working properly.

Please look again at a thread that ThrillaMozilla kindly suggested to you by PsyckoSama (I hope he doesnt mind me borrowing it)
You will see how the tubing on his printer is attached to the front side of his printer and is held in place vertically
which is a much better way to route the tubing for a smoother operation altogether in my opinion.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q99/PsyckoSama/HPIM0561.jpg
I like your Avatar by the way.

The CISS you have ordered is a good one but a CISS is only as good as its installation so take great care installing it
but above all take your time and follow the instructions that came with it..

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

You obviously dont know anything about the type of CISS that he has purchased from cityexpress otherwise you wouldnt have made that statement,
so I would strongly suggest you read up on it and then come back and give us your two cents worth on it.

Good job noticing the details, Hat. Yes, I missed the fine print on the Web site. That particular CIS is sold with dye ink. It seems odd, though. Of the other CIS units that I know about for HP printers, two of the three are sold for use with pigment black, and the third I don't know about. KGVickers has reported good success with a CIS that uses pigment black. If the City Express unit requires dye, maybe he's stuck with it. I'll leave it to you to figure out.

Also I would like to correct you on the WJ1020 ink, it is not I.S. ink but in fact its from the Christian ink co.
namely oddparts.com and yes I have in the past use their inks.

I had always thought that they might be selling rebranded Image Specialists ink because they don't seem to be making it and the part numbers are similar.