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Isn't it double jeopardy?

Who is Alex?
 
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I've enjoyed this thread immensely! It has the full spectrum of those who seek precision, almost at any cost, to those who "fly by the seat of their pants" and experiment their way to what they regard as their most pleasing result. somewhere back in this 9 page thread was the admonition to "know thyself." Many ways to enjoy this process of committing an image to paper.
The most significant difference must be repeatability, if that is important.

However, thank you to those who have put so much effort into their comments, truly commendable.
 
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However, thank you to those that have put so much effort into their comments, truly commendable.
Yes, great stuff, regardless of the camp within.

I appreciate the critique(s) to my posting. It made me realize that that I should have prefaced my entire diatribe with something along the following lines: "There are good reasons to calibrate and test all the components in your system, just as there are times when perfectionism is called for. Like aeronautical engineering, neurosurgery, and astrophysics calculations about that comet that might hit us. In the case of the printed image, it would be for making prints for galleries and/or for sale. OK, add some off of the norm combination of ink and paper.

The typical hobbyist has no need to spend hundreds of dollars for hardware, nor hours of time, nor levels of angst that a professional should, indeed, suffer. Indeed, modern photo electronics and science has made what we used to call a "straight" print all but failure proof.

The last "good" reason is because you are compelled to. A psychological drive is not to be dismissed, but it should not be confused with objective decision making."
 

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It can be difficult to step aside from your fellow lemmings and realize, "No, I don't have to go over that cliff."
Amen! Each of us should feel comfortable in knowing "how far to follow the lemmings" according to our own perceived needs. A garden variety PC and a consumer-grade digital point and shoot may satisfy some of us, and others may only be satisfied with the top pro grade DSLR and top rated graphic Mac or PC/monitor combination. I'm satisfied with Photoshop Elements while others must have the full, newest Photoshop program. It is all good if it pleases the user.
 
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"It can be difficult to step aside from your fellow lemmings and realize, "No, I don't have to go over that cliff."



Amen! Each of us should feel comfortable in knowing "how far to follow the lemmings" according to our own perceived needs. A garden variety PC and a consumer-grade digital point and shoot may satisfy some of us, and others may only be satisfied with the top pro grade DSL and top rated graphic Mac or PC/monitor combination. I'm satisfied with Photoshop Elements while others must have the full, newest Photoshop program. It is all good if it pleases the user.
So what you are saying that this statement is true, and accurate......it resonates for you!

It can be difficult to step aside from your fellow lemmings and realize, "No, I don't have to go over that cliff."..

thus, by association, in your opinion, the folks pursuing the objective of the thread are lemmings, but one is not a lemming if one chooses to "opt out" and not go over the cliff???
And again by association as a comment within Mikes thread, his pursuit is Lemming like..

Your words:

I have noticed some recent posts that have been pretty "testy". This forum is not the place for defensiveness, attack, and counter-attack. I have been on other forums that were literally torn apart by such behavior. Our moderators are intent on not letting that happen here..

I feel that the Spirit of the thread is hijacked to the point of embarrassing extinction in its current form and is no longer instructional, but has become a disjointed ideological combat zone and counter to the statement above.

IMHO There is a place for a thread to calibrate or not to calibrate - the for and against discussed.
But not within this thread.....So I am asking, please.......

move the content, all of it that relates to the above, out of the current thread, into another thread, and leave Mikes thread to develop into all that it can be...that is a benefit to all and a credit to this Forum.
Added....and like other specialised threads a Resource, a Reference point used by other Forums.

Then lets get the gloves off and get going in the new thread...............
to calibrate or not to calibrate - the for and against discussed.
 
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It can be difficult to step aside from your fellow lemmings and realize, "No, I don't have to go over that cliff."
I know this is completely off-topic, but I just couldn't resist it. I hope I may be forgiven.

Below is an extract from an article that can be found at http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

"The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan."
 

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I know this is completely off-topic, but I just couldn't resist it. I hope I may be forgiven.

Below is an extract from an article that can be found at http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

"The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan."
News to me, but LOVE it, a true gem of a find and adds exquisitely to the farce that is being allowed to unfold here.......Imagine

Just move over Mrs Malaprop.
 

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Despite 3dogs suggestion of moving the content to a new post, I suspect the same process would recur, judgement would differ. It is a very difficult problem to solve without creating a new type of posting, which protects theme purity. How do you do that?
 

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@3dogs I reckon you can’t catch the spirit of the moment by selective censorship, it is what it is and the beauty of it is, you can still be critical without ruining or altering the whole complexity of the discussion that this thread originally started.

It’s coming along nicely, take me for instance I wouldn’t be bodered to profile any of the many papers that I use in a million years, but yet I still find this thread tremendously fascinating and value its many interesting varied ideas.

Some of these guys could be in fact considered geniuses and breaking new ground with their individual profiles, who’s to say it has been done before ? And yes I am still learning despite my reluctance to get actively involved.
 
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Despite 3dogs suggestion of moving the content to a new post, I suspect the same process would recur, judgement would differ. It is a very difficult problem to solve without creating a new type of posting, which protects theme purity. How do you do that?
"SQUIROX"
 
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