Photographic Memory
Printing Ninja
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2017
- Messages
- 111
- Reaction score
- 41
- Points
- 83
- Printer Model
- Canon Pro 100S
<Rant to get off my chest>
Ok I almost forgot I had you guys here for back-up, the underground "hackers"… just had run-ins with a couple of suspicious 'trolls' over at dpreview that has lead to a temporary ban. They have been hellbent on "shoving CC (Cloud) down everyone's throats" and by me getting involved with such talk as "only a fool would blindly subscribe to a "cloud" and offload all one's personal possessions to a remote server in the trust that it is safe indefinitely", etc…
And now I really need assistance, and didn't know where else to turn. Unable to post on there now. Forgive me, PrinterKnowledge should have been first choice from the start.
</over rant href="breathe">
[Context]
So. I found you all here when my Canon Pixma ix6550 started acting up which lead to me getting a new Pro-100S which lead to me researching/studying/digesting your a la Breaking Bad science (*gnosis I know this)
Well along with everything I even got to grips with Calibrating my recently purchased LG 24" IPS LED with the ColorMunki Photo and created a lovely Semi-Gloss Paper Profile to compliment the whole package (Semi-Gloss/Satin/Pearl is my vice!)
>> He is my INSANE dilemma!!
_Today…
Whilst testing out various Proofing options/scenarios I was yet again with Computer Madness extreme 101 and after almost a whole day I have about been ready to throw in the towel (and take a break). Here I am. This is it. Ready?
So, dual monitor set-up (LG 24" and ASUS X75VC laptop)
I have an image, a Photograph, that I decided to print out 5x7 multiple times and label each with different Profiles each with Perceptual and Relative Colorimetric. So that's 8 Prints using…
Canon GL3, Canon GL(A)3, Canon SG3 and my own created ColorMunki (SG) profile.
Here's what I noticed after looking at the Prints (beautiful all of them) next to the monitor I calibrated. Not much like the Monitor at all! Colors way off! What is pale cream on the screen is pastel pink on the image, what is orange on the print is red on the screen, etc, etc. (This isn't actually the madness by the way)
So OK back to pre-ColorMunki ICC ICM days, no problem I thought, I reversed engineered a monitor Calibration to match Print to an acceptable degree, if need be I'll do it again.
I was trying multiple scenarios, digging deeper, looking at Display Color/Management settings (Windows 7), trying to see the difference between 'Assign Profile' and 'Convert To Profile' when picking up an image and dragging it I noticed the color rendition changed. Hmmm. Wierd. So I dragged the window'ed inage without letting go and looked at the Prints again… now they seem like an almost perfect match. WTH I am thinking, what IS going on! Why when I let go of this image does the color change? Then I drag the image from Monitor to Laptop and the color doesn't change (but laptop calibration was never close to the monitor/printer profile to begin with).
After doing a print head clog type diagnosis (dia-gnosis, who knew?) that I learned of from YOU guys! I decided to try and figure out what was wrong, everything from was it the HDMI Cable, Intel Graphics Card, Display Settings/Assigned Profile.
I narrowed it down to this…
In Display / Screen Resolution, select
Display 2. LGIPSFULLHD(HDMI) and Check 'Make this my main display'
Did this fix the problem of correct*
color showing without having to drag the window'ed image? Kind of…
Now I notice that when I drag the image on the Laptop Screen the problem has now flipped itself over to the Laptop, drag image, color changes, undragged/drop, color changes.
*correct color? If this was "mad" enough for me to experience things just got more crazy… I decided to duplicate the photo, and see if there was a difference between 'Assign Profile' and 'Convert to Profile' and chose AdobeRGB (1998). Guess what,
they both differed dramatically in color plus now when you drag both images they change color/white balance/grading/hue/contrast/whatever.
My head is now spinning with utter confusion, I go into Color Management which at this point is a total head **** because of such options as Change System Defaults (sRGB or ICC viewing conditions?) and noticing that when I change a profile either the monitor will change but to what looks like D50 and not D65 or doesn't seem to change at all until I then go back to Screen Resolution/Make This My Main Display OR if I do that first it changes Color Management Settings.
[COMPUTERS ARE GREAT WHEN THEY WORK YET CONSUME YOU DURING TIMES LIKE THESE!]
Any advice greatly appreciated, gratefully appreciate it!
And sorry for my untidy way of trying to explain/get my point across, it's yet again one of the days, where I wish I never used computers as I am getting to old for this jazz!
Ok I almost forgot I had you guys here for back-up, the underground "hackers"… just had run-ins with a couple of suspicious 'trolls' over at dpreview that has lead to a temporary ban. They have been hellbent on "shoving CC (Cloud) down everyone's throats" and by me getting involved with such talk as "only a fool would blindly subscribe to a "cloud" and offload all one's personal possessions to a remote server in the trust that it is safe indefinitely", etc…
And now I really need assistance, and didn't know where else to turn. Unable to post on there now. Forgive me, PrinterKnowledge should have been first choice from the start.
</over rant href="breathe">
[Context]
So. I found you all here when my Canon Pixma ix6550 started acting up which lead to me getting a new Pro-100S which lead to me researching/studying/digesting your a la Breaking Bad science (*gnosis I know this)
Well along with everything I even got to grips with Calibrating my recently purchased LG 24" IPS LED with the ColorMunki Photo and created a lovely Semi-Gloss Paper Profile to compliment the whole package (Semi-Gloss/Satin/Pearl is my vice!)
>> He is my INSANE dilemma!!
_Today…
Whilst testing out various Proofing options/scenarios I was yet again with Computer Madness extreme 101 and after almost a whole day I have about been ready to throw in the towel (and take a break). Here I am. This is it. Ready?
So, dual monitor set-up (LG 24" and ASUS X75VC laptop)
I have an image, a Photograph, that I decided to print out 5x7 multiple times and label each with different Profiles each with Perceptual and Relative Colorimetric. So that's 8 Prints using…
Canon GL3, Canon GL(A)3, Canon SG3 and my own created ColorMunki (SG) profile.
Here's what I noticed after looking at the Prints (beautiful all of them) next to the monitor I calibrated. Not much like the Monitor at all! Colors way off! What is pale cream on the screen is pastel pink on the image, what is orange on the print is red on the screen, etc, etc. (This isn't actually the madness by the way)
So OK back to pre-ColorMunki ICC ICM days, no problem I thought, I reversed engineered a monitor Calibration to match Print to an acceptable degree, if need be I'll do it again.
I was trying multiple scenarios, digging deeper, looking at Display Color/Management settings (Windows 7), trying to see the difference between 'Assign Profile' and 'Convert To Profile' when picking up an image and dragging it I noticed the color rendition changed. Hmmm. Wierd. So I dragged the window'ed inage without letting go and looked at the Prints again… now they seem like an almost perfect match. WTH I am thinking, what IS going on! Why when I let go of this image does the color change? Then I drag the image from Monitor to Laptop and the color doesn't change (but laptop calibration was never close to the monitor/printer profile to begin with).
After doing a print head clog type diagnosis (dia-gnosis, who knew?) that I learned of from YOU guys! I decided to try and figure out what was wrong, everything from was it the HDMI Cable, Intel Graphics Card, Display Settings/Assigned Profile.
I narrowed it down to this…
In Display / Screen Resolution, select
Display 2. LGIPSFULLHD(HDMI) and Check 'Make this my main display'
Did this fix the problem of correct*
color showing without having to drag the window'ed image? Kind of…
Now I notice that when I drag the image on the Laptop Screen the problem has now flipped itself over to the Laptop, drag image, color changes, undragged/drop, color changes.
*correct color? If this was "mad" enough for me to experience things just got more crazy… I decided to duplicate the photo, and see if there was a difference between 'Assign Profile' and 'Convert to Profile' and chose AdobeRGB (1998). Guess what,
they both differed dramatically in color plus now when you drag both images they change color/white balance/grading/hue/contrast/whatever.
My head is now spinning with utter confusion, I go into Color Management which at this point is a total head **** because of such options as Change System Defaults (sRGB or ICC viewing conditions?) and noticing that when I change a profile either the monitor will change but to what looks like D50 and not D65 or doesn't seem to change at all until I then go back to Screen Resolution/Make This My Main Display OR if I do that first it changes Color Management Settings.
[COMPUTERS ARE GREAT WHEN THEY WORK YET CONSUME YOU DURING TIMES LIKE THESE!]
Any advice greatly appreciated, gratefully appreciate it!
And sorry for my untidy way of trying to explain/get my point across, it's yet again one of the days, where I wish I never used computers as I am getting to old for this jazz!