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I would like to know in detail what could be the problem in refilling original OEM cartridges without resetting the chips for the pro9000 mk II, pro9500 mk II and imageProGraph PRO-1000

Canon have become very active on the chips, and if you run your printer on refills and don’t have a working chip then your printer will waste ink quite a bit.. Waste ink pads fill..!

Because i read this in a previous post and I would like to know more.

I mean aside the fact that you could end up ruin the printhead if you go print without ink left.

I'm interested to understand why the printer should use more ink and fill the waste ink...

In this case should I go for a chip resetter also for the 9000 and the pro 1000? I'm not sure if I can found them

Thanks :)
 

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Because i read this in a previous post and I would like to know more.

I'm interested to understand why the printer should use more ink and fill the waste ink...
In this case should I go for a chip resetter also for the 9000 and the pro 1000? I'm not sure if I can found them
Running any Canon printer with the ink monitor disabled will do no harm to the printer, but this causes the printer to do long purges of ink every time you turn it on and between every print, this is to prolong the print head and waste all the non OEM ink.

So it’s up to the owner to constantly check the ink levels by inspecting each cartridge daily, because running the printer with a dry cartridge will cause damage to the costly print head, due to overheating.

In short, that’s not a satisfactory way to run your printer, because the printer will waste ten times more ink then you can use on your prints, plus all this wasted ink has to go somewhere, so the biggest issue of all is ink cost !

There are several options that can be taken, 1) is to use aftermarket prefill carts, 2) is to use a chip resetter, 3) is to use one time chips and the 4th option is to use ARC chips, the best and most expensive route is not to refill at all.

With every new printer model launched, the manufactures make it more difficult to use refillable cartridges, forcing the owners into much higher costs for the plethora of refill gadgets and new inks, which in the end may not be a huge saving at all.

In short the wise option to take is to stick with older model printers that we know we can reset the chips, refill the OEM carts and also reset the waste counter, plus these inks are readably available everywhere..

You can buy a CLI-8 resetter in most places but the Pro 1000 can only use 1 time expensive chips and should only be used for Photography, it’s not a good option for general print work..

P.S. the Pro 9000 and Pro 9500 with not last long due to the fact you can’t get replacement print heads, so it would be advisable to seek a second-hand Pro 100 and Pro 10 as a good alternative..
 

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If you disable the ink level check it consumes ten time? there's a proof of it written inside the firmware?

probably i will go for the chip resetters so

anyways for what are my checks it does not seem that my 9000 waste so much ink, the amount of ml consumed are likely what I expect to be used.

basically if it's true that it consumes 10 times the amount this should happen

- the maximum amount of A4 prints done with a full recharged printer is 14, if the amount of ink for each cartridge is 14 ml and considering 1 ml per full A4

not true generally I can print 5 times the prints at least

- if this waste behaviour happens you should find all levels going down together

instead for example Red and Green are well filled since months. Also the other colors run topically slow. The only ones who go down faster after 25-30 A3 are the PM and PC but this is to be expected for the nature of the prints.
 
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I think that @The Hat didn’t meant literally 10 times more, just more ink than if the ink was monitored. We don’t know the exact amount of ink wasted when monitoring is disabled; the only way to know is to check accurately ink consumption and the number of prints made.

That figure of 1 ml of ink per A4 copy is the total for all 8 cartridges, not for every one. It would be an average of 1/8 ml per each cart. In theory then you could print 8x14= 112 A4 sheets per set if all inks were consumed equally, which isn’t true (red and green barely used, PM and PC much more, etc..)

Also, there aren’t 14ml of usable ink per each cart, The sponge retains a considerable amount that you can’t/shouldn’t use. If you refill, you’ll notice that the maximal volume needed for refilling a CLI-8 cart with an empty liquid chamber and a saturated sponge is around 7-8ml. If you forget to check the level of ink and let the sponge supply the ink when the liquid chamber is empty, there’s the risk of leaving air bubbles in the sponge and jeoparde ink flow. So better refill immediately after the liquid chamber goes empty. Without ink monitoring that requires a constant check, removing and reinstalling the carts, therefore triggering additional cleaning cycles. Not a good scenario.
 
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We don’t know the exact amount of ink wasted when monitoring is disabled; the only way to know is to check accurately ink consumption and the number of prints made.
You can accurately measure and weigh the waste ink coming out of your purge unit if you have a Printer Potty fitted, that’s just another additional advantage of having one installed..;)
 

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Resetters for PRO-9000/100 and PRO-9500/10 are not expensive (€50-$75) and a one time purchase.
One time chips for the PRO-1000 seem to be $160/12, for a cartridge of 80ml, that adds about € 0.15 to every ml of ink, doubling about the 3th party price.
Paying about half of OEM for 3th party ink seems a bit foolish to me, and you already have to buy 700ml PFI-1700 OEM carts to be cheaper than buying PFI-1000 right away.
José Rodriguez buys 700ml OEM's but he does not tell if he uses chips or disables ink monitoring.

IMO a PRO-1000 only makes sense with OEM.
 

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Resetters for PRO-9000/100 and PRO-9500/10 are not expensive (€50-$75) and a one time purchase.
One time chips for the PRO-1000 seem to be $160/12, for a cartridge of 80ml, that adds about € 0.15 to every ml of ink, doubling about the 3th party price.
Paying about half of OEM for 3th party ink seems a bit foolish to me, and you already have to buy 700ml PFI-1700 OEM carts to be cheaper than buying PFI-1000 right away.
José Rodriguez buys 700ml OEM's but he does not tell if he uses chips or disables ink monitoring.

IMO a PRO-1000 only makes sense with OEM.
Let's say that you buy a used pro 1000 for a very nice price and you start refilling it with cheap and good compatible ink (calibrated manually, maybe you will go for a smaller gamut but who cares...)

you get yourself a top class A2 printer

now, there are other machines suited for this use of other brands or models?
 

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You can accurately measure and weigh the waste ink coming out of your purge unit if you have a Printer Potty fitted, that’s just another additional advantage of having one installed..;)
what is a printer potty?
 

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Let's say that you buy a used pro 1000 for a very nice price and you start refilling it with cheap and good compatible ink (calibrated manually, maybe you will go for a smaller gamut but who cares...)

you get yourself a top class A2 printer

now, there are other machines suited for this use of other brands or models?

I have only experience with second hand A3+ printers.

From what I've read the PRO-1000 for example has a sensor detecting the printer has been moved, after this all ink seems to be flushed. Probably there are other tricks built-in.
This is a printer for pro's who can afford OEM ink.
Although it is not impossible to recover "a used pro 1000 for a very nice price" I am afraid the learning money will be high. Why do you think the price is nice ?

Stick with PRO-10's, already complicated enough for the non-experienced (who sells them to us refillers ;)).
 

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what is a printer potty?
Let's say it's the printer equivalent of a regular potty. :p
Wasted ink is going into a removable container instead of being absorbed by the ink pads at the bottom of the printer.
Of course, unless the machine already comes with this feature, installing a potty requires "surgery" and the user must have enough skills and knowledge to perform the operation.
Depending on the model of printer it might be very difficult or relatively easy.
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't dare to do that on my Pro10s.
 
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