OCP - PIGMENT INK for Epson R2400

[johnpeeay]

For information, Promax Imaging here in the UK are selling OCP inks in small quantities, 100ml or 250ml bottles. I have just had a quote from Leanne at Promax Imaging, for a complete set of 9 100ml pigment inks for the R2400 costing around 35 inc postage and a set of 250ml bottles at 87 inc postage. This is a lot cheaper than buying from the US, now the question is how good are these pigment inks, no one appears to be using them on these forums. Now if someone can recommend a set of refillable cartridges for the R2400, I shall go ahead and buy a set of 100ml bottles and give them a try.


John Archer
Edinburgh

 

[irvweiner]

I originally gave you a lead to Promax Imaging.

For your second step, go to your browser and in the search box type in: "Epson R2400 refillable cartridges"
Next, press 'search button'
Next, select one or more of the 1000's responses you choose to deal with.

I look forward to reading about your results in this forum.

good luck irv weiner

 

[Lothman]

Is there any information available about the OCP inks? How do they work on glossy paper?
Any information that their ink is sold for other third party refilled cartridges.

 

[irvweiner]

LOTHMAN: Here are some links about OCP inks.

Compatibility
http://www.ocp-inks.com/content.php?seite=seiten/ocp_worldwide_ansprech_xml.php&land=49

Overview
http://www.ocp-inks.com/content.php?seite=seiten/support_compatibilitylists_en.php

Canon Pixma Pro 9000
http://www.ocp-inks.com/content.php...desktop.php&rubrik=d&hersteller=1&modell=1201

I dont know what part of the planet you are located at, I have used the OCP ink in my Canon i9900 and Pro 9000 on most surfaces: On Glossy, Lustre and Satin type surfaces my color images are excellent, the Costco Professional Glossy and the Red River Arctic Polar glossy,satin & lustre being particular samples. The RR Polar matte and Epson hvy matte give me equally satisfactory results.

RjetTek, http://rjettek.com/ is the US rep. Contact Linda Hunt for your cart question, I dont know who uses their ink for refills commercially. I'm quite satisfied, but do check out the Printer forum on dpreview: dpreview.com, it's an excellent supplement to this community.

good luck irv weiner

 

[pharmacist]

Irvweiner:

could you tell me, why you always mention OCP. It is a very good ink, but the problem is that the amounts are huge (8 oz/250 ml) for most refillers. Amounts of 4 oz/120 ml should be more than enough for most of us. I do have tintenalarm.de's own CLI-521 ink here, not tested, so I cannot tell it is good or bad. I have tested Inktec CLI-8 and Lothman can confirm my own testing results: it faded considerably after a few weeks when facing the sun. My own testing results with Hobbicolors UW-8 are much better and faded only in a few months time and it was unlike the Inktec CLI-8 ink the fading was equally in all colours, so the print itself looks still balanced, but less saturated in a few months time. Inktec ink faded into a horrible pinkish cast.

I have a a few prints with pigment inks from both Image Specialists (IM-K4) and Inkrepublic.com's IRK-4 nano in respectively my Epson Pro 3800 and my Epson 1400 and the prints are exactly the same after a few months facing the full sun in open air. So pigment inks are to way to go for long lasting prints. This is the reason I sold my Canon i9950 printer and had it replaced with a Epson 1400 printer and converted into a pigment printer.

I would appreciate some posting about the prints and fading tests (upload some photo's after a few weeks in a sunny area in open air) and compare it to the original inks.

Actually I have been critized at dpreview.com by some members for critizing the way of posting of some praising this or that mark of refill ink. I think I made alot of enemies at dpreview.com, but I want to be unbiased, so I will stay being vigilant about claims of posters. I have spent a considerable amount of time and money in several refill inks and refillable cartridges that one would ask if sticking with original ink/carts would be much cheaper for me, which I think it is.

Actually I am a bit suspicious about people telling about how good a ink is every time, without the slightest cons in it. At a certain website from a certain well-known refill ink at dpreview.com, which seems to be a praised hallelujah good at dpreview.com I discovered such complete nonsense about reverse osmosis filtering (from my background as a scientist) about the way the ink is purified and filtered so the prevent clogging of the printhead, this must be a complete lie. Everyone seems to take it for granted, until I made a remark about it that this cannot be true scientifically, but I am afraid it was watered down in a cascade of praising topics after it.

Allways be critical, especially if one is praising a product like a priest...

 

[Lothman]

Hi Irvweiner,

I'm from Germany and I know the OCP website, they even sell me their inks ;-)

But before investing, I would like to hear at least one opinion of somebody who printed with OCP with an epson r2400.

So is there anybody out there?

I followed pharmacists recommendation on Image Specialist inks via Precision Color, good results but these refill cartridges I got from there leak after filling :-( for a while. OCP would be a lot cheaper for me, so there is some interest switching from IS to OCP - not only patriotic reasons

Regards
Lothman

 

[pharmacist]

Hi Lothman,

just found this link, which is also interesting for me. I want to try out different inks and somebody at dpreview.com already tested the OCP Epson R2400 inkset, which also can be used for the Epson Pro 3800.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=36009992

The main issue is according this guy the pretty weak magenta and cyan. The B/W prints are good and neutral. The photo black is acceptable (L=10).

My experience with the Image Specialists IM-K4 inkset is as follows: neutral B/W. a bit weaker magenta, but cyan is considerable stronger than original Epson K3 cyan. Photo Black is good (L=8).

I hope to test the Inkrepublic's IRK-4 nano ink soon, because my first impression (Since only my MB and LM cartridges are now IRK-4 nano) is the better gloss and somehow also the photo black (I had to replace this cartridge after a few weeks, due to a malfunctioning internal valve and switched back to a new cartridge, but this time again with IM-K4 photo black) seems to be much blacker and shinier (better gloss) than the IM-K4 photo black ink.

So the OCP R2400 pigment inkset seems to be acceptable, but according to this guy unacceptable when unprofiled or using the profiles for original Epson K3 ink, so the colours are much weaker (magenta and cyan). My experience between Epson K3 and IM-4 is as follows: using the same profile I originally produced for the Epson K3 inkset for Sihl-X photo paper, the prints made with this profile is a bit weaker in the reddish and brown tones (weaker magenta), but skies seem to be more vivid (stronger cyan). Putting those two prints side by side the results are acceptably comparable, the one printed with IM-K4 slightly more muted. So it seems that the Image Specialists IM-K4 inkset has a wider gamut than OCP R2400 pigment ink.

 

[Lothman]

Thanks pharmacist, I also found this thread. I think I have to flip a coin whether to switch to OCP (cheaper) ir Image specialists (a little better).

By the way I suppose the author johnpeeay in dpreview also reads this forum, because he also recommends TPI paper from conrad.de
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=36551171

Edit: Shame on me just recognised that he openend this thread - I'll try harder next time!

 

[l_d_allan]

Irvweiner:
Could you tell me, why you always mention OCP. It is a very good ink, but the problem is that the amounts are huge (8 oz/250 ml) for most refillers. Amounts of 4 oz/120 ml should be more than enough for most of us.

Here is a refilling newbie's 2 worth about OCP ink ... so consider the source.

I live in Colorado Springs, which is where R-Jet Tek is located. My impression is that their main market is mom-and-pop refilling operations like our local Rapid-Refill. Sales to individuals seems to be lower priority, which certainly seems justificable. Their catalog has serious equipment ($000's) for getting someone going as a commercial cartridge refiller. My experience is that their smallest order size quantity for die OCP ink is 16 oz, not 8 oz.

I'm really too much of a newbie to have a valid opinion about the quality of OCP ink compared to OEM Canon ink. To this inexperienced eye, it seems fine, but "consider the source".

I was able to get profiles evaluated that were prepared on Canon paper, with the difference being Canon OEM ink vs OCP ink from the same Canon Pro-9000-2. The feedback was that the OCP gamut was larger than the Canon gamut ... like 700,000 compared to 600,000 (IIRC with higher being better). I'm ignorant as to what those values mean, and I don't really comprehend where they came from, but it seemed an endorsement of OCP ink.

I agree that the minimum order quantity of 16 oz seems huge. However, each bottle is only $12 to $15 USD, which is about what a single OEM cartridge is. There is a part of me that feels guilty to order 16oz of Red and Green, as I speculate I won't use all that much of it at all over the next two years. I'll probably have to over-ride my frugal nature and throw out the unused amounts after 2+ years and re-order. Or find someone to give it away to, which would be fine.

 

[WolfgangExler]

Has anyone on the forum used OCP pigment ink in their Epson printers? I have been using their dye based inks in an Epson 1400 with excellent results but would like to know how their pigment ink performs in relation to the Epson original ink. I also have a Epson R2400, just waiting for refillable cartridges and then sourcing ink supplies.

Yes, I use an Stylus Photo R2400 with OCP inks. I bought this used printer from a member of our camera club and switched to refillable cartridges. I bought both cartridges and inks from a german dealer (www.octopus-office.de) which does not provide MK (matte black) ink. I tried these ink with about 30 different papers and created ICC profiles for these papers. Currently I prepare a website where I will publish my experience with OCP inks in my R2400 and these papers.

Wolfgang