Fading of Inkjet Papers

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Wouldn't it be funny if the 106 ink performed better than Canon's Chromalife + inks. :p

Embarrassing.
The more you look into the details the more inconsistencies you can find so it is not that simple to qualify one ink as the better one - under all conditions - measurement - calculations - papers etc - as a general statement, just look to the little table in my recent posting #23 here, so yes - the 106 inks are better than the Chromalife 100+

https://www.printerknowledge.com/th...ng-test-update-18-june-2021.14742/post-128778

Chromalife 100_____18.08
Chromalife 100+___15.88
Epson 106__________15.42
Epson 114__________18.81

The Epson 106 inks - mainly the CMY inks in combination just on this particular Hayatec paper - perform better than the other inks - the deltaE change is smaller. As explained elsewhere the deltaE of the black patch barely contributes to the overall average - it's just a 1/96 share although the 106 black performs very bad on this paper. So the 106 inkset overall can be claimed to be better than the other inks - in this particular test - but all this shows the limited validity - you need to add a pretty wide margin to all those statements - they are correct as they are measured and calculated but generalizing such findings may create a wrong level of validity.

And as it was addressed before - that's the fun part doing such tests and measurements - finding such inconsistencies - I just try to consider who else in this world would be printing with the 106 inks just on this Hayatec paper and being concerned about the fading of the inks.............
 

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Chromalife 100+___15.88
Epson 106__________15.42
Is the difference statistically significant? Perceptually significant?

Still, it is a little bit humorous that Epson's EcoTank ink performs similar to Canon's top shelf Chromalife + ink and did so on Canon's paper!

Lucky for Canon that it is not advisable to refill your Canon Pro 200 with Epson 106 ink. ;)
 

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Is the difference statistically significant?
No

Perceptually significant?
Only visible in 100 years when you pull the prints from the sealed storage cabinet.................

Still, it is a little bit humorous that Epson's EcoTank ink performs similar to Canon's top shelf Chromalife + ink and did so on Canon's paper!
That's part of the fun doing these tests and finding those things............
Lucky for Canon that it is not advisable to refill your Canon Pro 200 with Epson 106 ink
I think Canon has a secret sensor just to prevent that ..........
 
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:yuckyuck

Only visible in 100 years when you pull the prints from the sealed storage cabinet.................

On advice from my attorney, Clayton La Rue, Esq., I just signed up to be cryogenically frozen so I, too, can be pulled from my sealed storage chamber in 100 years and hold Canon to their archival word. Lawyer La Rue's descendent will handle the legal matters.
 

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Still, it is a little bit humorous that Epson's EcoTank ink performs similar to Canon's top shelf Chromalife + ink and did so on Canon's paper!
It is not only that with Canon, it is the same with Epson. Claria HD are not better than Ecotank 106 inks. I tested them last year, but the 106 were printed without photoblack on XP-4100.
After six months on the window, there is no significant difference on the same Epson papers, if a difference of 0,3 deltaE200 on the average of 60 patches is a difference at all. Maybe with photoblack it might be even better. Canon ChromaLife100+ only one DeltaE2000 point worse on Epson Paper and PT-101.
The winner is with a nose length by numbers Claria Premium Ink.
 

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It is not only that with Canon, it is the same with Epson. Claria HD are not better than Ecotank 106 inks.
The EcoTank 106 inks seem to be the best kept secret in the inkjet world.

You and @Ink stained Fingers have done a great job highlighting the similarities and differences, including surprising finds like the 106 ink performance.

Thank you. :thumbsup
 

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It all started about 6 months ago with the announcement of new printers and bottled inks - the Epson ET8550 with the 114 inkset called Claria ET , the Canon G550/650 Megatank printers with the GI-53 inkset claimed to be the Chromalife 100 inks and subsequent evaluation of these bottled inks - performance differences between these and the assumed premium/reference inks as the Epson 106 and the Canon Chromalife 100+ versions - I can conclude that these are a group of premium inks with a very similar performance, the actual choice of paper can have a significant impact onto the longevity of a print with a specific paper/ink combination. Canon and Epson users concerned about longevity and doing refill have a good choice of premium dye OEM inks at a very affordable price.
I'm concluding my current tests with these findings but I'm sure that the subject of ink fading will come up sooner or later again.
 
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