Chromalife 100+ inks in old 100 carts?

[Tudor]

@Paul Verizzo : Only Canon makes Chromalife 100+ inks. All the other inks are compatible, they don't necessarily have the properties advertised by Canon. Just look at the compatible inks for cli-8, 521, 526, 551 and see how they use one ink in 2-3 generations.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

@Paul Verizzo : Only Canon makes Chromalife 100+ inks. All the other inks are compatible, they don't necessarily have the properties advertised by Canon. Just look at the compatible inks for cli-8, 521, 526, 551 and see how they use one ink in 2-3 generations.

Trust me, I understand this. I've been refilling since the BCI-3 days, through BCI-6, and into CLI-8. I also know that it appears even high quality inks like from MIS or PC, from Image Specialists, don't hold up as well the Real Deal.

I'm thinking that the above evolution has been minimal in aging abilities, but with the advent of chipped cartridges, a new name, ChromaLife, with perhaps some improvements, but to justify "new."

However, the ChromaLife 100+ (where are those marketing geniuses when you need them?) is more than mere evolution like its ancestors. I say this based on several things: 1) A new chip, 2) the very different yellow ink, both visually and known incompatibility with previous any leftover yellow in the cartridge, and, mostly, 3) that Canon bumped the official home environment life claim from 10 to 30 years. That's such a huge increase that barring Canon MSU'ing (Making Stuff Up) it indicates an evolutionary jump, almost revolutionary.

Anyway, that's my thinking.

 

[Tudor]

OTOH, if I can get 3X the life (Canon's claim by comparison) for the hassle of tweaking some profiles, or even buying new ones, I wouldn't have to buy a newer printer and go through the hassles of selling my old ones.

Inconsistencies I'm prepared for, as posted. A not terribly expensive experiment, found a source on eBay, all 8 colors, 30ml each, for $20. Figure I'll flush some cartridges and give it a whirl.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8x30ml-cartridge-CLI-42-refill-dye-ink-For-Canon-Pixma-Pro-100-/111517956858

If Canon made it's ink for cli-221 3x more fade resistant than the ink for the cli-8... this doesn't mean that the cli-221 compatible ink is 3x more fade resistant than the compatible ink for the cli-8.

You can go to IS's webpage and compare the cli-8 inks (chroma100 for OEM) to the cli-221 inks (chroma 100+ for OEM) http://www.image-specialists.com/catalog_desktop_step1.aspx They only changed cyan, and probably just the hue, not all the ingredients...

 

[Paul Verizzo]

If Canon made it's ink for cli-221 3x more fade resistant than the ink for the cli-8... this doesn't mean that the cli-221 compatible ink is 3x more fade resistant than the compatible ink for the cli-8.

You can go to IS's webpage and compare the cli-8 inks (chroma100 for OEM) to the cli-221 inks (chroma 100+ for OEM) http://www.image-specialists.com/catalog_desktop_step1.aspx They only changed cyan, and probably just the hue, not all the ingredients...

Hmmm.....I have not pursed any cartridge/ink possibilities outside of the CLI-42. IS has no listing for that cartridge nor the PRO-100.

Not sure what that means.

As a total WTH, I've had at least two bulk yellow inks that were very different in the obvious bottle color, yet printed out exactly the same, per eyeballs. Go figger.

 

[peter D]

Do any reputable ink manufacturers on the world make an ink set for the Pixma Pro100 ie a refill ink for ChromaLife100+ ?
I've asked Marrutt Ltd in the UK to update on an enquiry I made over 18 months ago and they advised recently that no progress had been made on this issue with their supplier which I understand is Lyson inks.
My suspicion is that this Canon ink set very difficult to accurately duplicate and that part of the problem is that the yellow colour has a different formulation for how it reacts with the coating on Canon papers.

My experience printing B&W using inks other than OEM has issues with yellow highlighting on at a least two papers that I've used and especially the Canon Pro Platinum gloss paper. This defect is not that apparent until the print is nearly fully cured ie 7 days after printing and is most apparent where the original colour file contained green foliage colours. Greyscale conversion in Photoshop CS to get rid of any colour info in the file does not fix this problem which suggests to me that it could be something to do with the response of the inks to the coating.

 

[peter D]

I might have found one answer to my previous question.
prodinks GmbH apparently make the inks for octoinkjet. Does anybody have experience with refill dye inks made by this German manufacturer?
I'm also interested in how well the prodinks product for dye printers stands up to fading when prints made with it are exposed to the air compared to IS inks and the OEM Chromalife 100+ ink.
Finally there is the Printguard spray product made by Nazar (or Lyson) that has claims being made by the marketers of it for more than double the fade free life of dye prints treated with this product.

 

[jtoolman]

Why not simply ask PC ( Mikling )
Joe

 

[peter D]

I use PC inks at present and have had trouble with fading most likely due to exposure to the atmosphere rather than light exposure.
In response to my enquiry regarding this particular problem Mike (Mikling) advised that the inks he uses cannot be expected to match the OEM inks for fade performance. This I can accept to a degree but the rapid fade that I experienced (over just two months) printed on Canon Pro Platinum paper and not exposed to direct sunlight at all is far quicker and more severe than I ever expected.
However on the issue of yellow highlighting on B&W prints (again on Canon papers) after curing is something he couldn't enlighten me on, only advising that my theory regarding the cause could have some validity.

 

[The Hat]

If you go to the trouble of using 3rd party inks then you should also try other photo papers to get a better match for it, OEM inks work the best on OEM paper but as you have found out not all 3rd party inks can do the same.

To get the best out of any 3rd party inks it is always wiser shop around for a more suitable photo paper that will work to the advantages of the 3rd party inks, but if you intend selling your prints then use only OEM inks and paper or switch to pigment ink for far better longevity if that is what your goal is..

The problems of fading has always been there for both 3rd party and OEM dye inks alike and the way that Canon have tackled it is to match their inks to their paper exclusively and if you do not use OEM Ink/Paper then all bets are off as far as their longevity claims are concerned..

 

[Roy Sletcher]

I use PC inks at present and have had trouble with fading most likely due to exposure to the atmosphere rather than light exposure.
In response to my enquiry regarding this particular problem Mike (Mikling) advised that the inks he uses cannot be expected to match the OEM inks for fade performance. This I can accept to a degree but the rapid fade that I experienced (over just two months) printed on Canon Pro Platinum paper and not exposed to direct sunlight at all is far quicker and more severe than I ever expected.
However on the issue of yellow highlighting on B&W prints (again on Canon papers) after curing is something he couldn't enlighten me on, only advising that my theory regarding the cause could have some validity.

I think your comments about fading being due to the atmosphere is the most likely answer. Many are using the same ink paper combination as you, and to my knowledge yours is the first to comment on the experience such quick fading.

I have been refilling with the IS PC42 inkset for over 18 months now and have many prints on my walls and behind glass that have not shown any sign of fading. For the record bright light, but not direct sun. Papers mainly Red River Paper, and a few sheets of Ilford.

You don't perchance live in Chernobyl?


RS