best cartridges and 4x6 photo paper for canon pixma ip 5000

[Inez]

I am new to this forum and new to this canon printer, though i have older model canon bjc's.

What I would like to know is what apart from canon's photo paper is best for this printer as I note that it is heavier than the staples glossy brand which is 74 lb and other papers. When I spoke with Canon Canada the tech suggested Epson paper does any member have comments and experience???

Also, being new to a printer that has so many colours, when i went back to Staples to look at cartridges their brand of cartridge had 3 mls. more ink; however I have never used their ink before and thus am unsure of whether I must stick to Canon's ink for best results.
I am not doing a lot of photo printing as I don't have a Digital camera and no plans to buy one, however I do scan some of my 35 mm. photos on my Canon Scanner 4200F and so I will be doing some photo printing.
I don't want to use cheap cartridges if there really is going to be a problem with my pixma 5000 as this is the first new printer I have had. The others are hand me downs from siblings.

i really would appreciate advice, thankyou.
BTW, I am in Canada and some of the cartridge suppliers listed here maybe in the USA, I just thought that I should mention that.

I look forward to comments, thankyou.
Best regards.

 

[Osage]

To Inez,

I think you will find these forum jam packed with information. And by the way, you have a very excellent printer in the ip5000. More importantly, the ip5000 is non-chipped which means your have all options open to you. Your three broad options are to use Canon OEM cartridges, to use third party prefilled cartridges you can find from a variety of vendors, or to refill your own cartridges. Like anything else in life these options have pro and con tradeoffs. And also will depend on your printing volume, how deep your pocketbook is, and your how much you value the various tradeoffs you make.

But you are starting off with one of the most economical inkjet printers ever made.
Round numbers, using Canon OEM ink cartridges, your ink consumable costs to print a 5% coverage text page will be about 3 cents, 8 cents for a 20% coverage plain paper color page, and about 80 cents for a 8 x 10 color print in photo mode. And as Panos said, your longest lasting prints will come from Canon OEM ink. Although paper choice is equally important.

But this forum tends to be populated by photoprinters who like to print lots of photos. And at eighty cents per 8x10, the costs mount up fast.

Using prefilled third party cartridges, you can save up to a factor of about 7X. Your three broad tradeoffs are color balance, fade resistance, and the risk of getting cartridges that could damage your printer. With the latter tradeoff somewhat over rated by many. This forum is very good at identifying cendors that are good. With price also a poor predictor of quality. Another factor i that many good vendors are in the US and won't ship to Canada--so if you know someone in the US, and the drive is short for you, consider having them order for you and then go through customs.

The third and possibly best cost option is refill your own. Your BCI-3&6 cartridges are also very easy to refill. The concenus favorite inks here are MIS, formulalabs,
and hobbicolors. Then one can acheive savings starting around 12x and going as high as 40x if your printing volume is high and order ink in bulk.

But for now, jut read up-------lots of things you can learn here--we are here to help.---but only you can decide for you and there is always some who value things slightly differently.

 

[Inez]

I really appreciate the responses to my post it gives me a base to start investigating. Has anyone had experience with Staples Ink which I mentioned the cartridges are 3 mls. larger and you save $10 for all 5 cartridges.
But of course I don't know what type of ink is in them, they say a clone but i know that as you mentioned there are a variety of brands of inks out there.

With my old beater, my Canon 4100 I used the Staples brand of Ink and cartridges from a cartridge shop where I have had my Canon notebook BJC 85 cleaned. I should imagine if I inquire with the owner there he should be able to tell me what brand of ink he uses in his cartridges or will he?

I guess one of my major concerns with choosing the type of ink I use I didn't really put in the post and that is what effect if any does it have on the print head longevity of life. If I don't use Canon cartridges as an example. Will I have to clean the print head more often? Is there a greater possibility that the print head will not last as long?
As was mentioned there are tradeoffs when you select your ink.
For certain I will not be filling my own cartridges, I never did with my hand me down prior models of Canon printers that I listed earlier and so I won't start with a new printer which I did a lot of reading about and googling before the purchase as my bumbling inexperienced hands could cause me a major problem. So that is definitely ruled out.I guess the print head life depends of course on the amount of use the printer gets and so coupled with that I wondered if the type of ink used could also cause issues with the print head??? I thought I should ask this as obviously this will have an impact on my decision making as far as the ink that I choose if I decide not to use Canon. I hope that someone has a reply to that.

You mentioned "chips" in the post, does this relate to my colleagues ip 5200 which he bought when he went to buy the pixma 5000, as it is no longer available.
If so, i should inquire about the chips so that I can pass the info along to him. Again you can see my expertise here is scant and so I shall have to do some searching and see what posts have been done by other members in respect of the pixma 5000.
The ip 5200 that he just bought was originally $199 and Staples dropped it to $169 and said it was better than my 5000 because of chroma colour which meant that photo life would be longer.
And he again is a baby boomer who will scan the occasional 35 mm print on his Canoscan 4200f, 3200x6400 dpi,and 48 bit input/output whatever all that means as we both have the same scanners.
I also have the smaller, Canon LIDE 80 which does not have as high dpi 2400x4800, 16 bit input/16 bit or 8 bit output.
Both scanners are hooked up USB 2.
I have used my LIDE 80 and the results are pretty good, however I have not tried my 4200F which just went on sale up here for $129 and so the price temptation was too great to resist and from what i have read it has very good write ups on it.

 

[fotofreek]

If you are going to use aftermarket prefilled cartridges you might as well get them on the internet and save much more than the staples aftermarket carts. Neil Slade just reported on the latest G&G carts as being very good and they are much cheaper than the ones you have been using. You should also know that refilling your own carts is very easy and will not harm your printer. The crazy thing is that after two or three sets of refills you will have saved enough money to buy another printer if yours should fail! There are two financial considerations to balance. One is the cost of replacement of the printer or printhead and the other is the ink/carts. at about $1 US per cart refill you can do the math very quickly and see that even if you would have to replace the printer prematurely it is still cheaper than using either Canon or Staples carts. You don't need the hands of a brain surgeon to refill your own cartridges.

As for paper, the Costco Kirkland glossy photo paper is excellent.

 

[Inez]

Interesting, as I have always on my hand me downs of printers...my notebook printer canon 85 and my antiquated canon 4100 I always used G& G and am staring at them right now as I always do as my printer specialist said keep them in a zip bag in a cool temp place, where I keep all of my 35 mm film.

So G&G is OK for Canon Pixma ip 5000 and won't cause me problems with my print head?

And Cost cos paper is good.
I appreciate these comments very much, what about the critical Print Head. Do ink changes from Canon to G&G scramble it up??

Sorry for all of the questions, however I don't want to mess this Printer up as the Tech at Canon told me that this printer is better than its replacement model 5200 and to take care of it, as he would not recommend the purchase of the 5200.

Again all comments would be appreciated, thankyou.
Respectful regards!

 

[Tin Ho]

G&G is one of the largest Chinese cartridge manufacturer. Their spongeless Epson compatible cartridges have brought them a lot of profit. Well, it's probably no more. Epson sued them in February together with 22 distributors of their Epson compatible cartridges. G&G is probably unable to fight against Epson as it will take a fortune to do that. So it's common that they will be on the way out of US market.

G&G does not make ink. So if you are using G&G ink it's really an ink made by one of Chinese ink maufacturers.

 

[RC]

To Inez:

I have two IP5000 that I use a lot. I would not recommend MIS ink for this printer, my printhead has clogged every time I have used it. Just remember that the IP5000 is a 1-picoliter printer and it will clog easier than the other Canon printers. Others have had the same experience with MIS ink. I have found that I experience virtually no clogs with Formulabs ink.

Also I find Formulabs ink to have a better balanced color for the IP5000.

As for paper, COSTCO/Kirkland paper works perfect. What I have found with the IP5000 is that you can get nice prints with HP BRIGHT WHITE Paper or EPSON BRIGHT WHITE Paper, if you want to print very cheaply.

Another good paper is HP PREMIUM PRESENTATION or PRINTJET IMAGING & PHOTO for Matte prints, but I use the PHOTO PAPER PLUS GLOSSY setting for this paper, I get better results.

Good luck, its a great printer.
Robert

 

[Inez]

I went out yesterday after reading the posts and phoned around and none of the after market ink jet cartridge companies know what kind of ink they have.
They all say they use what their head office sends them.
I mentioned the names like MIS, formula labs , and hobbi colours and they look at me like I am from the moon. I phoned 8 compnies in our downtown core and went out to 6 stores on my side here and no owner would say what brand of ink they use.

Is the only place on the internet to get this ink, formula labs that was suggested.

Also the G & G ink that I have been using for my old bjc 4100 and bjc 80 are not good inks then by the sound of the poster that posted about G & G and Epson. I am I reading that correctly.
The company here in Canada that sells the G & G is a large chain operation called Save On Cartridges. And they get the bulk of the small businesses and I know 2 large co.s that use them as well.

There are so many little cartridge shops around, that is why I posted here to find out what ink to use before I go and buy the wrong won and mess up what I consider to be a very nice printer, at least for my personal needs it is.

I guess I will have to google for formula labs ink and see what I can come up with, and I also would appreciate comments again re my above questions, thankyou.

 

[Osage]

To Inez and also Tin Ho,

First, if Neil Slade uses G&G inks, that a pretty powerful endorsement. But I do ask Tin Ho--why should a lawsuit against G&G by Epson effect the Canon cartridge side of G&G business--even if Lawsuit by Epson may force G&G from the US market for Epson compatable cartridges. After all we are talking totally different ink formulations and totally different cartridges when we talk G&G for Canon vs. Epson.

So in MHO, this leaves G&G still on the table. Even if a future supply of them may no longer be available---and RC's caution against MIS in an ip5000 is a remark worth paying attention to. But given the ip5000 with its smaller nozzles is somewhat of a special case, maybe Inez needs to gather recommendations from the set of people who do have an ip5000. Which leaves me out also. But also remember that the ip5000 only uses the one pico liter drops in photoprinting and not general printing.

But as I recall prefilled with formula labs ink cartridges are available but I don't know of a vendor in Canada.--maybe someone knows of such a vendor. But it seems to me that Inez's problem may partly be in composing a short list of vendors of third party pre-filled cartridges that will preform well in a Caanon ip5000------then shortening that list by eliminating the set of vendors that won't ship to Canada--and then can make a final choice on a price basis.

But I would also urge Inez to at least investigate refilling her own cartridges. Its actually incredably easy.
With the new hobbicolors kits you don't even have to be mechanically inclined enough to use a drill.
And hobbicolors inks are also known good with a ip5000. You get your best options and cost savings are in refilling. That was my inital plan--just use prefilled cartridges---and I found a good vendor thanks to these forums that was much cheaper than G&G. But said Vendor won't ship to Canada. But the more I leaned here the more I wanted to try refilling---and as I said, it real easy. Getting good instructions and knowing what to expect proved to be a bigger problem than the refilling itself.

And going back to your friend who bought the chipped ip5200---refilling is going to be the only option for that person---the ip5200 can't use the cheap third party prefilled cartridges you can use. But I now own two non-chipped Canosn that have proven equally adept at using at using Canon OEM cartridges,
very cheap third party prefilled cartridges, or cartridges I refilled. And I have yet to experience any problems--partly because I stuck to concenus recommendations on this forum.

So Inez, part of your problem is having too many choices---you just have to winnow down your choices
and finally to make an informed choice. But you will probablty have some time before your initial set of cartridges runs out. Keep all options open and take all comments with a grain of salt. For now, just gather raw information.

 

[jackson]

I use an ip5000 and I live in Canada.If I want filled carts I use G&G from piloshop.ca.
For bulk ink I use Hobbicolor kits (note that HC will substitute photo black for pigment black if you ask them).
I intend to switch to photo black for my bulk supplies.
I also use piloshop for my HP932c carts.
For the Canon, I use Epson Glossy Photo paper for dvd covers... but I prefer to use a Dye Sub (cp-200) or on-line lab for photos that are keepers.