My MAXIFY 5350 is on refill ink

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Whether the ChromaLife+ ink causes a reaction is not the issue here
We're walking and chewing gum at the same time, grandpa. I was not the one who brought up the potential for Gello. A single sentence warning from Canon about not mixing other Canon inks - but not any old brand of inks - has created doomsday Gello scenarios.

My post was to distinguish between a known single ink color that causes Gello under the proper scenario in the real world versus speculation of potential Gello-causing effects in the same class of inks (ChromaLife+) or any other class of inks (including the Tank inks). I was laying the foundation that, historically speaking, Gello appears to be a single cartridge (CLI-42Y) affair. It is good to consider possibilities and to test but let's not get too far over our skis yet.

there has never been any reports of pigment ink ever causing Yello Gello
You could have chipped that in a little sooner and saved us all a little time and worry, boyo. :thumbsup

Canon is living rent free in our minds and they don't even know it.
 
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https://www.octoink.co.uk/kb/questions/186/CLI-42Y+(Yellow)+Cartridge+-+Special+Considerations

Odd that websnail would not know of issues with the CLI-25x inks and only knows about CLI-42 ink issues.

Maybe there is not a class effect with ChromaLife+ inks.

Just to provide clarification. We're aware of it, but I haven't made mention of it as the OctoInkjet bundles either incorporate a set of remanufactured OEM XL carts or use ARC equipped refillable carts that never had OEM Yellow in before. So the carts supplied don't hit the issue.

That said, I do make a point of mentioning it to any customers who purchase the x51 or x71 type refill kits or enquire about the inks on their own.

It's just not something that we overly focused on but it is something we've seen still cause some issues.

As @The Hat mentioned though, the issue is completely dye ink yellow only. It doesn't affect pigment inks at all so Maxify can safely ignore it.
 

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I do make a point of mentioning it to any customers who purchase the x51 or x71 type refill kits or enquire about the inks on their own.
I did not see info on the web site for the 25x refill ink. Is it on the web site?

We're aware of it
You have had authenticated instances of Gello with the 25x ink and cartridges? Or are you being proactive despite a lack of real world examples?

The forum has had posts from those experiencing Yello Gello with their Pro-100 CLI-42Y. You would think there would be similar posts on the forum about the CLI-25x Yellow as well, but there are not that I can recall.
 

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I did not see info on the web site for the 25x refill ink. Is it on the web site?

It's not shown specifically on there... To be brutally honest we haven't pushed our 251/271 inks or refill bundles due to a few issues unrelated to the yellow jello side of things. So that side of things isn't indicated.

You have had authenticated instances of Gello with the 25x ink and cartridges? Or are you being proactive despite a lack of real world examples?

The forum has had posts from those experiencing Yello Gello with their Pro-100 CLI-42Y. You would think there would be similar posts on the forum about the CLI-25x Yellow as well, but there are not that I can recall.

Our decision was based on one experience we had with an early iP7250 and an over abundance of caution on our part.

As to the reason there's not many reports... These are WAGs (Wild Assed Guesses) on my part but:

Most refillers opted for third party refillable cartridges because they worked, were cheap and also they were see through.

Correspondingly the OEM carts require chip resetters which aren't overly cheap, they're opaque and modifying the carts was more hassle than most end users felt necessary. Oh and you really need to get hold of XL variants to make refilling worth while which is expensive.

So, put it all together and you have very few end users who opted for refilling OEM carts and thus very little in the way of feedback... Unlike the CLI-42's where the end-users can reuse the OEM carts, they're still transparent and most end-users are of a mend and make do mentality.

Like I said, it's just a series of WAG's but I suspect that's where most of the lack of supporting evidence comes from..
 

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To clarify... verified or presumed Gello?

Presumed rather than verified. It's not something I've had any reason to doubt but I've not revisited the presumption as much because I didn't want to potentially waste printheads.

I guess I'll keep an open mind if the opportunity to revisit presents itself.
 

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Presumed rather than verified.
Thank you for the clarification.

It's not something I've had any reason to doubt
Me neither until now. A class effect of the ChromaLife+ Yellow ink was a reasonable initial working hypothesis. But it never materialized and never verified as far as I know. This matters.

Mikling claims he was able to create Gello with the 25x ink but we don't know his methodology and I do not recall anyone recreating or experiencing the effect with that cartridge.

Precision Colors CLI-42Y refill ink was verified as involved in the creation of Yello Gello from multiple people. Octoinkjet CLI-42Y did not per your report. Flushing the cartridge with water alone was reported to set up the Gello by mikling and you. It was then presumed that the water in any ink would precipitate Gello. Your claim that your ink does not lead to Gello flies in the face of the current presumption.

People have been refilling opaque cartridges using weight for years, including some with the 25x cartridges. Yet no reports on the forum. No one has yet commented on other forums reporting the Gello in the 25x or other ChromaLife+ ink cartridge (except, of course, the CLI-42Y).

So what are we to believe, lack of real world data or one guy's post (mikling) on 25x cartridges that no one has verified?

The whole point of this review is to caution on jumping to conclusions and to examine even long held beliefs not supported by verifiable or replicated results.

Having said all this, the Fates are considering making Pal and PeterBJ's fears come true just to mess with me! :hide
 

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We haven’t heard or seen any Yello Gello reports since the original cases of it occurring in CLl-42 carts, and to this day no one knows exactly what caused the reaction between OEM yellow and other inks and couldn’t recreate it outside of a print head.

Yello Gello did cause poorer ink flow in the print head and could be seen on prints and nozzle checks, but once the offending carts was purged the problem cleared up over time itself, it never damaged the print head fatally.

Mikling claims he was able to create Gello with the 25x ink but we don't know his methodology and I do not recall anyone recreating or experiencing the effect with that cartridge.
Mikling probably claimed to recreate Yello Gello just to get air time and extra publicity.. He is prone to exaggeration given the opportunity....
 

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As @The Hat mentioned though, the issue is completely dye ink yellow only. It doesn't affect pigment inks at all so Maxify can safely ignore it.
OK, maybe Canon assumes a single warning will scare enough people from using this ink to refill regular Maxify cartridges ;).
 

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I see the winking emoticon, Pal, but there are people out there that believe in a grossly inflated importance of home refilling to Canon. While Canon does lose sales to refillers, the big baddy for Canon are aftermarket filled cartridges.

You are already refilling using aftermarket mystery ink. Canon doesn't make a penny off of you.

Canon stands to GAIN profit if you buy their less mysterious OEM bulk ink. You get the benefits of the OEM ink. They capture sales that were long lost.

Win-Win.

You and The Hat are pioneering the way. Best of luck!
 
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