Mysterious disappearing non-clogging related (?) banding issues on iP4200

elenhil

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I'm rather new to the world of refilling, but here's my story. In short, my printer has colour banding issues with cyan-based colours, but only under certain printing (software?) conditions.

I've a second-hand PIXMA iP4200 with a new print head. Never used it for colour printing, and never really cared for nozzle clogging (though the cartridges weren't completely dry, I believe). But lately I wanted to print something in colour, so I bought some compatible InkTec ink, opened up the original (somewhat dry) cartridges, refilled them, done some built-in nozzle cleaning - and got this:
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Note the cyan banding. Also note that even the text itself is not properly black.

This was a printout of a PDF file via Adobe Reader under ye ol' WinXP done on a plain paper, though the latter is hardly a factor, as you'll see below.

I then tried to print the same image in grayscale, and got this:
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Note the banding now present everywhere, even in previously solid areas (like the boy's pants).

With a new but somewhat neglected print head I thought it must be nozzle clogging. Indeed, the nozzle check looks like this:
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Note the same banding issue.

I took out the print head, soaked it in hot water, done much of the usual stuff - and found that there indeed is a thin black line next the cyan nozzle that I cannot remove, a line pretty much half the length of the slit, running along the lower half of it. No photo here, sorry. So I thought this must be the exact reason there are bands of not-quite-cyan on my prints, and there's nothing I could do except for replacing the print head.

Anyway, this would have been the end of it, 'burned' print head and all, had I not tried to print the same page borderless. And what I got was this:
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Note the total absence of any banding whatsoever. The fact that the colours (even the ones previously unaffected) are paler are, I presume, down to Canon's driver trying to prevent leakage when forced to print borderless on plain paper. I then tried increasing colour intensity in printer settings and got 100% normal colours, even the blues and the greens.

I thought nozzle clogging would be present whatever the printing conditions!

So, I though that perhaps you guys could suggest why there might be colour banding with regular prints and no banding with borderless ones?


P.S. I felt inquisitive and even tried printing some proper photos. First via some image viewer @WinXP on plain paper, regular borders. Banding present. Then via Lightroom, on matte paper, regular borders. No banding. The latter was a different PC running 64-bit Win7, though, so, sorry, not a very good experiment. Don't want to waste good paper on further experiments. Still, this, I suppose, shows that this is not a nozzle clogging issue.
 

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I am afraid a horizontal line on the cyan nozzle check is an electric failure in your head and precursor of the "blink 5 times error = change print head".
 

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Pattern in nozzle check print is correctly described by @palombian

One thing - not every time it means further damages to printhead.

There is one solution, that allow to mask this banding at cost of half intensity in color printing. Only necessary tool is electrical tape and snap off knife.

Ł.
 

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But why on Earth would this electric failure only manifest itself under certain conditions I described?! I mean, one moment it couldn't print a simple check pattern properly, but set to borderless it managed to print 100+ full colour pages, four hours straight, without a hitch. What is so special about borderless printing?
 

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What is so special about borderless printing?
Smart observation!
I hope people here were so clever frequently :hide

I can only guess, that borderless printing is uni-directional in contrast to default bi-directional printing.
Service Manual is claiming, that borderless printing (especially on plain paper) is bi-di mode, but in SM dedicated to next gen printers (eg. iP3600) it is stated, that borderless printing on plain paper is uni-directional.

Printhead in iP4200 is nearly modern Pixma printhead.
Dye nozzles are organized to allow full bi-directional printing - color nozzles are organized into ink channels: C-M-Y-M-C.

Each ink channel consist of two nozzles rows: odd and even.
And C and M have doubled nozzles number, because they have additional small droplets (small droplet is 1pl, standard dye droplet is 5pl).
So, first C (and M) ink channel has 5pl odd row and 1pl even row and second C (and M) ink channel has 1pl odd row and 5pl even row. Y and dye BK ink channels are solely 5pl droplets, each of them is just 5pl odd and 5pl even row side by side.

If bi-directional printhead is used to print in uni-directional mode, then only half of it nozzles works - only odd rows (or even rows - hard to tell without testing).

And electronic failure posted above is when exactly half of odd or half of even fails (it mean 1/4 of total nozzles for certain droplet size for certain ink color - for instance 1/4 of Cyan@5pl). So, if half of nozzles are disabled by uni-directional printing, then is 50% chance to not use those, which are already defective.

I think here is explanation.

Ł.

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Defective grayscale printing on plain paper is because of some Operation System software quirks rather than driver/printer. With media set to plain paper and grayscale option set in printer driver, should result in pure PGBK printing.
 
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Note the total absence of any banding whatsoever. The fact that the colours (even the ones previously unaffected) are paler are, I presume, down to Canon's driver trying to prevent leakage when forced to print borderless on plain paper. I then tried increasing colour intensity in printer settings and got 100% normal colours, even the blues and the greens.
Other than you I think the missing saturation is down to the same clogged or defective printhead.
Bidirectional it prints half stripes, unidirectional it prints half saturation, anyway it is not okay...perhaps something like half of the dots...?...might this accord to Lucasz' explanation..?
PS: half printed color bars in nozzle check indicate an electrical damage of the printhead (which COULD also damage the printer over time) ... but you could try external cleaning anyway ... "pigs might fly"...
 
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Łukasz, thanks a ton for the explanation! Can I find more information on which printing conditions trigger this unidirectional operation?
 

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Defective grayscale printing on plain paper is because of some Operation System software quirks rather than driver/printer. With media set to plain paper and grayscale option set in printer driver, should result in pure PGBK printing.
Tested that and found out that Duplex Printing is the culprit. Set 'on', and there are coloured striped 'grayscale' prints on both 32-bit WinXP and 64-bit Win7. Set 'off', and there's pure grayscale.
 

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You find a service manual for Canon iP4200 here: http://noel.bouvet.free.fr/ip4200/Canon%20Servicemanual_ip4200.pdf . Starting at page 2-4 this manual has a table of which inks are used, number of print head passes and if printing is unidirectional or bidirectional for all modes and settings for the printer.
According to this manual, the only time iP4200 is printing unidirectionally is when printing grayscale on envelopes.

However, it specifies that there indeed is a matter of the number of passes: 1 pass in normal colour and grayscale printing and 2 passes and more in borderless, photo paper, etc. Therefore it is clear that my banding issue occurs only when printing is done in 1 pass only. I cannot claim that I understand the exact mechanics of this, but perhaps you guys would find this info useful (and make a more informed prediction of my printer's prospects).
 
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