1. Dismiss Notice
  2. Picture Of The Week (POW) Information and Submissions
    CLICK HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)

    Dismiss Notice
  3. Official PK Poll: Is there any future in refilling?
    CLICK HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)

    Dismiss Notice
  4. PK Featured Thread: The Epson RPM quality option - does it offer a benefit ?
    CLICK HERE!
    (if you are logged in, this notice can be dismissed using the "x" to the top right of the notice)

    Dismiss Notice

Streaks in black dye

Discussion in 'Canon InkJet Printers' started by Leeloy, Jul 28, 2014.

  1. Jul 28, 2014
    Leeloy

    Leeloy Printing Apprentice

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Brazil
    Printer Model:
    Canon iP7210
    Hi.

    I'm using Chinese cartridges and OEM cartridges (Topfilling) (CLI151)

    IMG_20140727_224446.jpg

    After the second or third refill black ink dye (ink OCP) stripes began to appear to do the nozzle test. :he

    Teste Bico.jpg

    So I cleaned the print head (as explained here), but did not improve.

    I ended up buying a new OEM cartridge, but with no improvement.

    By doing an alignment print out also failed. :he

    Alinhamento.jpg

    Now after trying everything I decided to print a page (configured as photographic paper) with 3 black bars, and the result was perfect :clap.

    Preto.jpg

    But the nozzle test still bad.

    What is happening to the nozzle test out bad and printing of 3 black bars come out good?

    Sorry for english Google and thank you for your patience.:bow
     
  2. Jul 28, 2014
    stratman

    stratman Printer VIP Platinum Printer Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2007
    Messages:
    5,535
    Likes Received:
    3,682
    Trophy Points:
    373
    Location:
    USA
    Printer Model:
    Canon MP830, Pencil
    -- What printer are you using? From this we will know the print head part number and more.

    -- Is the printer still under warranty?

    -- What method of print head cleaning did you use?

    -- More importantly, were the stripes evident when not printing a nozzle check and the paper selection was set to Plain Paper or other settings?



    When you set your paper choice to a photographic paper, some of the other dye-based inks may be used to make 'black' in addition to the Black dye-based cartridge. Nozzle checks force a single color cartridge to print one at a time so you can see how well the nozzles (and printer) are functioning for each cartridge color.

    It looks to me like there is a heavy black band at the top of the dye-based Black nozzle check followed by lighter Black coloring. Straight lines like this usually mean a malfunctioning print head and/or logic board. Nature does not like straight lines and so it is probably not something you can fix with soaks or even taking the print head apart. If true, then it won't hurt to try those things, but you will need patience to allow for soaking to work and the end result will be no change. That a new OEM Canon cartridge did not help provides further information corroborating my hypothesis.

    One thing you may want to try is remove the cartriges from the print head and then remove the print head from the printer. Make sure the circular grommet-style silicone seal is properly seated around the ink inlet port for the Black dye-based port. If the seal is bad then the black in cartridge's ink outlet port cannot seal effectively at the print head and maybe this is interrupting ink flow. Also, make sure there is no ink gumming up this area of the print head -- probably not as you have already "cleaned" the print head. I doubt this will work but at this point you have nothing to lose except a couple minutes of your time.

    The best I can recommend is to obtain a new print head at this time unless new information becomes known.

    Aftermarket cartridges are notorious for failure on refilling. They may be good for a one time use only. It is a gamble that could lead to malfunctions with your printer, though probably not the one you are experiencing. Except in rare cases, use only genuine OEM Canon cartridges for refilling.

    While the nozzle check for the Black Pigment ink cartridge looks odd -- probably just image artifact -- then you could still use the printer for monochrome text printing. Also, since you successfully
     
    Leeloy likes this.
  3. Jul 28, 2014
    martin0reg

    martin0reg Printer Master

    Joined:
    May 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,032
    Likes Received:
    706
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Location:
    Germany Ruhrgebiet
    Do an extended nozzle check, out of the service menu, it will show more information than the normal nozzle check.

    Here are extended nozzle checks of a good and a bad canon PH:
    http://www.printerknowledge.com/threads/anatomy-of-a-canon-print-head.6190/page-5 (posting 42)

    With MY canons (ip4500, mp810) I get in service mode as follows:
    (Doing this the wrong way can disable the printer, so it is on your own responsibility....)
    A) Entering service mode:
    - make sure the printer is turned off.
    - press and hold the [resume] button, and then press and hold the [power] button. (Now you
    are holding both buttons down)
    - release the [resume] button (but do not take the finger off the power button)
    - press 2x [resume]
    - release the [power] button
    B) Functions available in service mode:
    Once you have entered the service mode, you can select one of the functions mentioned
    below by pressing the resume button the specified number of times and confirm that selection
    by pressing the power button. (btw: to give you some optical feedback, the indicator LED
    toggles between orange and green each time the resume button is pressed.)
    - 1x [resume], then [power]: extended nozzle check
    - 2x [resume], then [power]: EEPROM information print
    - and many more, which could mess up your printer if you don't know what you're doing.
    C) You can leave service mode by pressing [power] without pressing resume before.
     
    Leeloy likes this.
  4. Jul 29, 2014
    Leeloy

    Leeloy Printing Apprentice

    Joined:
    May 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Brazil
    Printer Model:
    Canon iP7210
    Thanks stratman and martin0reg. :thumbsup

    -- What method of print head cleaning did you use?
    As my English is bad put as many photos and videos to explain. I made this video while cleaning the print head, were 2 days.



    The driving was:
    M - 10' 02"
    BK - 8' 59"
    Y - 12' 11"
    C - 5' 37"

    The pigmented black (PGBK) was very slow. I left the night and when I woke up it was empty, but do not know how long it took. And I did not leave this until no more ink.


    Another problem I have is when I print a table in Excel, for example.
    I believe it is an alignment problem, but I tried to align the Automatic and Manual and unsolved.

    Tabela.jpg

    Here ;)

    Teste Modo.jpg

    thx :D
     
    stratman likes this.
  5. Jul 29, 2014
    stratman

    stratman Printer VIP Platinum Printer Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2007
    Messages:
    5,535
    Likes Received:
    3,682
    Trophy Points:
    373
    Location:
    USA
    Printer Model:
    Canon MP830, Pencil
    Good video. Thank you.

    Have you tried placing the print head on the paper towel with your cleaning solution filling up the container to rise above the ink inlets? At this point, pharmacist's solution, original Windex with Ammonium D (or similar), or a liquid dishwashing soap could be tried.

    I still recommend you call Canon Tech Support and explain the problems, especially that the printer will not do a print head alignment.

    If nothing works, then consider a new print head, part number QY6-0082-000 or a new printer if the price is right. Call Canon Sales as they may have best price compared to eBay or some other seller. At least that is the situation in the USA.
     
    Leeloy likes this.
  6. Aug 2, 2014
    Łukasz

    Łukasz Printer Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2014
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    392
    Trophy Points:
    138
    Location:
    Poland
    Printer Model:
    MG6250 (MG5150 before)
    Hi,

    please check PGBK bi-di values on manual printhead alignment page 1 (of 3). It is black column, typically called "C". Which value is best?

    Set highest possible value then, and test it with regular print in simplex / plain paper mode.

    Ł.
     
    PeterBJ likes this.
  7. Aug 2, 2014
    trcrefill

    trcrefill Getting Fingers Dirty

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2009
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    22
    check your timing strip that runs through behind the printhead. it may be dirty
     
  8. Aug 2, 2014
    Łukasz

    Łukasz Printer Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2014
    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    392
    Trophy Points:
    138
    Location:
    Poland
    Printer Model:
    MG6250 (MG5150 before)
    General troubleshooting approach is right, but not this time.
    Other colors than PGBK are OK.
     

Share This Page