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New, expired OEM cartridge that won't drain

Discussion in 'Hewlett Packard HP InkJet Printers' started by ThrillaMozilla, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:31 PM.

  1. Apr 16, 2018 at 4:31 PM
    ThrillaMozilla

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    This is interesting. I just acquired a new HP564K XL cartridge that expired in January 2015. That's a pigment black, sponge and ink chamber type cartridge, similar to Canon cartridges. It's for an HP Photosmart C309a. It's apparently a new, genuine HP cartridge.

    I tried to drain it using the tissue method, but after two attempts it only lost about 8 grams. When I shake it, the ink chamber sounds full, and I think it only drained the sponge.

    I should be able to drain under vacuum and refill it, but I'm concerned it won't drain properly in the printer. I have two other cartridges just like it from the same package.

    I guess my plan is to refill it and see if it will drain then, but does anyone know what's happening and have a remedy?
     
  2. Apr 17, 2018 at 8:35 AM
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    Did the printer reject the cartridge due to it being past the use by date held in the chip? Or didn't the cartridge work due to some of the water/solvent had evaporated making the ink too viscous? Or?

    If you have more of the same kind of cartridges could you then weigh one of them and compare the weight to the weight of a normal and functional new cartridge?
     
  3. Apr 18, 2018 at 5:31 AM
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    The cartridge has not been in the printer yet. I expect the printer to complain but use the cartridge anyway.

    I bought this with other cartridges to have some spares. It was old enough that I planned to just drain it and refill it before the first use.

    The bare cartridge weighed 26.63 g new. It's one of the newer, much smaller cartridges. I don't have the new weight of any other cartridges of that type to compare it with (except for two others from the same package that I haven't opened yet). Do you have that weight?

    I pulled some pharmacist's solution through the sponge and refilled it partly with ink. It still doesn't drain well. Maybe if I pull some Windex through it?
     
  4. Apr 19, 2018 at 4:17 PM
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    There are two other cartridges from the same batch, and they have essentially the same weight. I'm trying to drain them right now.

    The cartridge does drain to a certain extent. I suppose the sponge drains, but the ink chamber does not drain. Perhaps it's gummed up at the side wall, where air is supposed to flow, or at the connection between chambers. I guess that's why people purge cartridges? I've never had that happen before.
     
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  5. Apr 19, 2018 at 6:39 PM
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    I also thought the reason for purging a cartridge with ink flow problems was cleaning, but according to posts by @mikling the reason for the need to flush is foam forming in the sponge. This foam must be replaced with liquid to restore full capacity. See this "Megathread".

    I have not seen it on Canon OEM cartridges but some compatible PGI-5 PGBK cartridges had the ink outlet covered in a substance that looked like shoe polish. Even after scraping this stuff away the cartridges didn't work well.

    If the flushed cartridge cannot be made to work after flushing it would be interesting to see photos of an opened up cartridge. AFAIK the biological growth problem only affected refill ink for Canon, not Canon OEM cartridges and not HP, but maybe?
     
  6. Apr 20, 2018 at 1:20 AM
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    Capt. Obvious here. Be certain that when you removed the wrapper from the cart, the vent seal at the top of the cart opened up and is breathing freely.

    Good luck getting that sucker clean. Consider tossing it in favor of transparent refillable carts. Another crap shoot, I guess ...
     

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