My CIS search has begun. Calling all experienced CIS users!

[GLO]

I have a Canon MP780 and am considering a CIS system.

Are there any comments on this system? C.I.S Inksupply

The listing looks very informative and the kit looks pretty good, but without ever having used any CIS kit before i dont know what are the things to look out for.

This one looks like it addresses alot of CIS problems.

ie:
shorter cartridges reducing line bending
spongless cartridge
silicon dampers for canon cartridges(???)
ink tube at fron of cartridge
silicon tubes
internal air system (no more air valves)
ink control knob.

As i said, it looks good to me but im keen for some opinions from experienced CIS users.

The other one i am looking at is from Sinopis which make one for the MP780 as per their photograph.

So i would greatly appreciate any help in deciding which may be better.

Thanks

 

[Honu]

Hi GO,

Also got a MP780 an planning on using a CIS .... Did you try one ..?
I've also seen this one : http://printerfoods.ixwebhosting.com/product.asp?id=2287

About the first you are speaking, CIS ink supply ... i've seen some infos about silicon tubes not dealing very well with inks.. read this : http://www.ocp.de/content.php?sessi...tuelles.php&rubrik=1&archiv=&jahr=&details=55

 

[websnail]

About the first you are speaking, CIS ink supply ... i've seen some infos about silicon tubes not dealing very well with inks.. read this : http://www.ocp.de/content.php?sessi...tuelles.php&rubrik=1&archiv=&jahr=&details=55

That's interesting..

I wasn't aware of this with regard to that seller and for the record his ID has changed already to cis.supply.hk. but just to be clear I'm unsure whether silicon tubing in particular is a problem with inks but the wording of the article above seemed to indicate that it might not specifically have been the tubing, more this manufacturers tubing (which may or may not be silicon).

The pending review on their iP4200 kit is going to be a lot more interesting now I suspect...

 

[GLO]

I only just ordered the CIS last night. I went with the first one as their product seems to address a number of issues that otherwise would have limited the CIS.

Once i get it and set it up, i will report back.

Im hoping that its relatively straight forward.

Re: OCP inks. Im not overly fussed if they use OCP or not, and i will just search for a good refill when the time comes.
I doubt that OCP inks or any ink would have problems with silicon tubing, but i understand where OCP are coming from when a seller is using their branding to push their own products along. Who knows; maybe OCP get their inks made in China, and this seller is using the same ink from the same factory, it could be possible! Most things are these days.

 

[websnail]

Re: OCP inks. Im not overly fussed if they use OCP or not, and i will just search for a good refill when the time comes.
I doubt that OCP inks or any ink would have problems with silicon tubing

Interestingly enough I have had problems with tubing used by a different company, "InkRepublic".. I couldn't be sure what material was being used but it did react badly with the inks I was using and caused a number of problems.. Not to say that is the case here but it's not unheard of.

i understand where OCP are coming from when a seller is using their branding to push their own products along.

Yeah, it's not exactly going to help consumer confidence though.. If someone is happy to use a brand name and effectively lie that calls into question their ethics right from the get go.

Who knows; maybe OCP get their inks made in China, and this seller is using the same ink from the same factory, it could be possible! Most things are these days.

Somehow I doubt it, especially as most inks produced in China aren't reknowned for their quality and you have to remember that OCP seems like it could be close to being up there with Image Specialists in terms of quality or reputation and Image Specialists are based in the USA and produce their own ink.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[panos]

GLO, could you post some photos while you are assembling the system? It would be a great favor for the rest of us.

(Regarding the issue with OCP -- OCP is right. Period. But it's not a serious issue for the rest of us.)

 

[panos]

Also got a MP780 an planning on using a CIS .... Did you try one ..?
I've also seen this one : http://printerfoods.ixwebhosting.com/product.asp?id=2287

They say: ``If customers choose to buy this system they agree that there maybe minor hitches, but there are solvable solutions to overcome this [...] when printing, please select high quality in the printing options. Instructions are enclosed in the box and we advise customers that by choosing to purchase this system, we do not accept responsibility if the customer does not know how to use the ink system and returns it to us,,

It seems their system can't handle the higher speeds and ink firing rates of non-high quality printing.

The system linked by GLO looks better -- smaller cartridges means smaller weight on the printhead carriage (which is already taxed by the tubes), and generally everything looks tidier.

I would really like to see some installation photos from GLO.

 

[GLO]

OK, I have the CIS installed.

I spent a good 4 hours figuring it all out. (this is my first time, but if i had to do it again, it would take no more than 30mins.

I took lots of photos, and am very happy with the movement.

BUT. my first nozzle check was good but not great, the 2nd was perfect although it looked like it needed an alignment.

So once i started the alignments (automatically) the inks started fading!

So as a virgin CIS installer, i have to ask, am i supposed to leave a the airvalve on the tanks open???? ( I am thinking yes)

Also, priming seems easy, but again, am i supposed to remove every bit of air out of the carts, or remove the air just from the tubes?

Hopefully some one can shed a little light on this for me!

 

[websnail]

OK, I have the CIS installed.

I spent a good 4 hours figuring it all out. (this is my first time, but if i had to do it again, it would take no more than 30mins.

I took lots of photos, and am very happy with the movement.

Sounds good... well done

BUT. my first nozzle check was good but not great, the 2nd was perfect although it looked like it needed an alignment.

So once i started the alignments (automatically) the inks started fading!

So as a virgin CIS installer, i have to ask, am i supposed to leave a the airvalve on the tanks open???? ( I am thinking yes)

Definitely.. The air valves allow air into the reservoirs to replace the ink that flows into the cartridges.. You have to make sure however that you open the correct ones and you don't let air replace ink in the cartridges.

Also, priming seems easy, but again, am i supposed to remove every bit of air out of the carts, or remove the air just from the tubes?

No.. You need to leave a little air in cartridges as this helps act as a buffer that stops ink running out in free flow so you don't want to get all the air out.. Even a little air in the tubes isn't a problem.. but you do want to be sure that the air bubbles are moving along the tubes towards the cartridges and not back towards the reservoirs.. The latter would be an indicator of a poor seal somewhere in the loop that means it's losing vaccum (ie: ink is not flowing properly).

Hope that helps...

 

[GLO]

Quick update.

Everything was working fine whilst i had the scanner lid open.

Once closed i heard a loud grinding (not good), which was the tubing blocking the carts whilst the lid was down.
I managed to fix thisby tightening up some slack on the tubing, so know its all running smoothly again.

I primed the carts again (didnt to it properly before) and only left a real little amount of air in the carts.

But my dilemma now is that the colours appear to be a bit washed out.

Im not sure if its because the ink run mak be a little too restrictive, but the nozlle checks are 100%, but the horizontal lines in the grid are on a very slight angle. (i thought that an alignment would fix this, but it didnt, however all otehr lines and text appear fine)

Any suggestions re the washed out colour? Note that when i absorb excess in with a tissue from the ink tanks the colour is definitely more solid.

What should i do?

Thank