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Brother bottled ink BT5000/6000

Discussion in 'Everything Else InkJet Printer Related' started by Ink stained Fingers, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. Mar 8, 2018
    Ink stained Fingers

    Ink stained Fingers Printer Master

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    Epson and Canon are offering printers with ink tanks for the ink supply instead of cartridges, Epson with the L....series and Ecotank ET.. models and Canon with the G...series models. Both supply bottled inks with various different fade performance characteristics - the Canon bottled inks are not Chromalife inks and Epson's L3xx/4xx inks don't match the Claria inks either. Brother is selling as well some ink tank models in some areas of the world, but with much less presence in Western Europe yet. Brother's consumables for these printers are bottled BT5000 CMY dye inks with 49 ml (@5.50€) and a BT6000 pigment ink with 108 ml for the 4 color printer models. The bottles are not marked with the 'Innobella ' name Brother is using for their inks in cartridges. They may play the same games as Epson and Canon.
    I got a set of the CMY BT 5000 bottled inks - for a fading test against the Fujfilm DL inks, Brother may use as well, like Canon and Epson, budget level quality dyes or not - who knows , so I'm starting a little test with these inks, they all are dye inks, all test patches have been printed with a WF2010W, same printer, same papers, same driver settings.
    https://www.alzashop.com/search.htm?exps=BT5000
     
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    Ink stained Fingers

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    thanks for the links, those GT models first showed up in the South East Asia region and appear to come closer to Europe now.
    The HP review about the fading performance of their inks refers to inks in original HP cartridges, this does not automatically imply that the bottled ink is the same , Epson and Canon are playing these tricks as well, but that's something to test sooner or later.
     
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    Can this ink be used in a canon printer ??
     
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    One could assume that HP with its thermal printheads use a similar ink base as Canon does with the bubble inkjet printheads but I don't know for sure - I did not have a chance to test that. I just know - I did it - that Canon and HP inks run in Epson printers, that will let me make some comparative tests with inks for Epson/piezo printers, but I would need to leave it to somebody else to test such HP ink on a Canon printer if that ink actually provides some benefit - or is somebody already running HP inks on a Canon printer ????
    HP was and is collaborating with Wilhelm Research - WIR - for longevity testing, and HP uses their test results in their publications as it fits into their marketing, but they refer to WIR results and their own results in a mix to confuse the reader. I rather would like to see a test - with these HP inks, the Canon G...inks and the resp Epson inks for their L300 and Ecotank models - printer models with ink tanks in a comparable pricing and performance range at the lower end. I may do some testing for orientation once the current test on different papers - with the same inks - comparing papers and not inks in this run - is over. I just will let the sun and ozone do its job.
     
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    Ink stained Fingers

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    I had a quick look to the Brother dye inks now after a week how they fade - it's a CMY dye inkset only , no dye black. The Cyan patch has faded already visibly which is a rather poor performance, M and Y are still stable.
     
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    Ink stained Fingers

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    I'm restarting the test with the Brother inks, I just got the corresponding HP GT52 inks which I want to include into the same test.
     
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    thanks for your tip, yes, my HP inks are made in Malaysia and look pretty much genuine.
     
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    I got a new set of color patches printed - with the help of a seasonal helper - see this week's PoW. I'm testing the Brother BT5000,
    HP GT52 and Epson 106 bottled inks against a patch with the Fujifilm DL inks. The Brother and HP inks are only CMY dye inks, the corresponding black is a pigment ink for use on normal paper.
     
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    Based on the poor findings above I just checked the Brother inks - yes, the Cyan is fading , it's visible already after the 2nd day, that's pretty bad, I'll take some measurements in 2 weeks, the other inks don't show any signs of fading yet.
     
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    O’ Brother, where art thou...? :lol:
     
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