Epson Claria inks, Fujifilm inks and alternatives

Flying Scotsman · Sep 18, 2017

Thanks for sharing your results.
If I was to use Fuji ink in my canon ip8750 would I just use an original canon grey. I can't see a Fuji DL grey in any of my internet search results.

Ink stained Fingers · Sep 18, 2017

Flying Scotsman said:
If I was to use Fuji ink in my canon ip8750

Please be cautious - Epson compatible inks won't work in Canon printers, Canon refill users won't have these options with the Fujifilm DL inks - regrettably . The best performing inks for Canon printers are the genuine Chromalife inks, and about nothing else when it comes to a similar fade performance of refill inks. The only other choice - with reservations and some less performance are Fotonic XG inks by Lyson distributed by Marrutt in the UK and a Dutch dealer.

Flying Scotsman · Sep 18, 2017

So if you have a canon printer is the best option to use octoinkjet or similar and put a Go over the print.

Ink stained Fingers · Sep 19, 2017

martin0reg said:
As we know the Netbit seems to accept a higher ink limit, but there is no semi-glossy from Netbit, only from Sihl. So I'm curious to hear about the fading of these two (resp three) different brands (and papers) at Aldi or Lidl

I found one last sheet of the Sihl/Aldi glossy type and compared the profile against the Netbit/Aldi paper

The green line is the Netbit gamut, the red line is the Sihl gamut, at mid luminance of L=50,
the total volumes of the gamuts are the same within 1%, both target sheets printed with the
same driver settings on a L800. A comparative fading test will take a while.

martin0reg · Sep 19, 2017

Well, they are looking quite similar.. so a customer at Aldi or Lidl could buy or switch from one to the other.
One question aside from fading: This latest gamut seems to be much bigger than the 2nd in posting #36, which shows L800, and two other printers, also on Netbit. Different inks? Or different measurements or display methods, not comparable?

Ink stained Fingers · Sep 19, 2017

yes, you are right, the gamuts in posting #36 look somewhat different, that diagram shows the
curves at a lower lightness level at which differences between the gamuts become more visible, it's for illustration that you cannot judge just a printer on its own, or a paper without knowing the printer it is used on or an ink set , there are so many variables. So it's the same icm profile.

Ink stained Fingers · Sep 30, 2017

martin0reg said:
So I'm curious to hear about the fading of these two (resp three) different brands (and papers) at Aldi or Lidl.

Two weeks are gone for a fade test , a direct comparison between the Aldi/Netbit and Sihl glossy photo papers.
This is just an interim result - it is becoming visible that the Sihl paper performs slightly better at this time than the Netbit paper, differences are not big yet, but the trend is there. I'm tesing both papers with the Fujifilm DL ink and with a mix of some bargain dye inks which fade visibly faster than the DL inks.

Ink stained Fingers · Oct 1, 2017

let me update the fading results comparing various papers with the same Fujifilm DL ink

Paper Fading Test
Lightness increase (Range from 0 - 255) of the black ink patch
(measured with a scanner, delta via the histogram vs.
a copy kept in the dark)
L800 Printer, Fujifilm DL inkset, matte Photo driver setting

_____________________________after___week 1__week 2__week 3__week 4__week 6__week 8

Tecco Baryt Fibre Silk_________________0_______8______17______19______22______26

Labelheaven 230 cc Glossy______________3_______9______20______26______39______49

Tecco PG230 Glossy__PE_________________0_______0_______5_______6_______8______10

HP Premium Plus Glossy__PE_____________0_______1_______4_______5_______9_______9

Tecco Fine Art Rag PFR295 matte________4_______7______12______16______22______28

Canon Pro Platinum PT101 Glossy_PE_____0_______2_______6_______8______11______15

Tecco PM 230 matte_____________________5_______8______14______17______23______29

Netbit/Aldi Glossy__PE_________________0_______1_______6_______8______12______15

The trend is clear, the PE papers perform much better with the dye inks than all the other
papers, and there are differences even between these PE papers. I'm closing this test here since the results are unambiguous.
P.S. one last comment to this test - all the optical brighteners are gone, completely gone since quite some time. Profiling for them looks like a questionable effort.

The Hat · Oct 1, 2017

@Ink stained Fingers, Thanks for all the time and patience you put into your fading test on the various types of papers you used.

Whether it will make guys think before buying a specific printer, 3rd party ink or paper is a different matter, but you have clearly demonstrated that the paper is the most important factor in relation to how fast ink will fade...

martin0reg · Oct 1, 2017

The Hat said:
@Ink stained Fingers, Thanks for all the time and patience you put into your fading test on the various types of papers you used.
...

Ditto! ISF's balcony lab - toughest competitor of WIR and Aardenburg...

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