Epson TM-c3500 label printer Pigment substituton

Evergrey · Mar 21, 2015

Hello guys, i understand this machine is not typical printer u would see around.its a label printer, using CMYK DuraBrite Ultra (SJIC22P) cartridges. My problem is that - we are printing for local lotto with this and its bigger brother - 7500.
I need to print security line with QRcode that would be invisible under infrared camera ( 940nm).
I cant do that with epson pigments or any other pigment. i Tried testing some Dye from the bottle which i took from my friend - it was invisible under IR radiation. is there a way to print with dye inks on this machine?
Im not into physics and infrared spectroscopy , but somehow waterbased dies are transparent in IR?
Appreciate your help guys, other forums just ignore me, please help.
Ray

websnail · Mar 21, 2015

I don't have direct experience of that model but from a couple of recent queries and research I did the printers seem to be pretty standard Durabrite style inkjet printers. So, based on that presumption I'd say it'd be possible but a few caveats to consider.

1. Depends more on the labels you're printing on to than the actual inks themselves. If the paper/label media is not absorbent or allows the inks to bleed into each other wouldn't be good. Testing a little dye on the labels to check the ink doesn't just run or bleed would be a good idea.

2. You don't want to be chopping and changing between dye and pigment inks in your printers as that can cause problems with clogging due to the mix. If you do opt for it, you will need to make sure you flush a LOT of ink through the system to re-establish the new one and that in turn means you're going to increase your waste ink counter and potentially trigger the service required issue.

3. No idea what support there is for refilling those printers so you'd need to check that out.

Please note this is just a few things to consider. Given the cost of the machines I'd be wary of doing it myself but t'is your call..

Best of luck..

Evergrey · Mar 23, 2015

websnail said:
I don't have direct experience of that model but from a couple of recent queries and research I did the printers seem to be pretty standard Durabrite style inkjet printers. So, based on that presumption I'd say it'd be possible but a few caveats to consider.

1. Depends more on the labels you're printing on to than the actual inks themselves. If the paper/label media is not absorbent or allows the inks to bleed into each other wouldn't be good. Testing a little dye on the labels to check the ink doesn't just run or bleed would be a good idea.

2. You don't want to be chopping and changing between dye and pigment inks in your printers as that can cause problems with clogging due to the mix. If you do opt for it, you will need to make sure you flush a LOT of ink through the system to re-establish the new one and that in turn means you're going to increase your waste ink counter and potentially trigger the service required issue.

3. No idea what support there is for refilling those printers so you'd need to check that out.

Please note this is just a few things to consider. Given the cost of the machines I'd be wary of doing it myself but t'is your call..

Best of luck..

Thank you for the quick response , Sir

Could you suggest me please the dyes(Brands) i could use to replace the durabrite ?

websnail · Mar 23, 2015

Evergrey said:
Thank you for the quick response , Sir

You're welcome..

Could you suggest me please the dyes(Brands) i could use to replace the durabrite ?

Almost any Epson standard dye ink will do. You should probably expect some colour variation depending on whether you get the older Dye ink used in printers like the R300 or the Claria compatible inks used in other models like the P50.

Just avoid anything that is a Universal ink for different printer brands (eg: for Epson, Canon AND Brother).

The rest is about testing the inks and seeing which ones you are happiest with. I'm sure there are a few recommendations waiting to be posted so I'll leave that up to @Smile , etc..

Whatever happens, let us know how you get on.

Evergrey · Mar 27, 2015

Hi again guys, could i use this method with reprogrammer ? And what kind of tip is that on the syringe ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2eF01FCig

websnail · Mar 28, 2015

Evergrey said:
Hi again guys, could i use this method with reprogrammer ?

When you say "re-programmer", do you mean a "chip resetter"? I think @Smile covered that.. Perhaps he can link to some product listings on aliexpress or similar that work with your printer model?

And what kind of tip is that on the syringe ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2eF01FCig

Pretty sure I sourced some of those tips recently but just haven't gotten around to listing them yet. They're very similar to the tool being discussed here:
http://www.printerknowledge.com/threads/tip-and-syringe-jtoolmans-guide-for-epson-3880-3800.9885/
...but a little thinner.

The Hat · Mar 28, 2015

I have never seen anyone go arse about face in the way this guy describes the proper way to refill these cartridges, it’s so sloppy and haphazard that it leaves me nearly speechless.

The proper procedure I reckon would be to have the syringe on top of the cartridge and not laying to the side as he suggests plus there’s no need to remove the OEM ink before refilling at all.

He uses a syringe that’s way too small to do the job properly and by using his method could possibly allow air to enter the inner bag also.

Another thing having a bowl of ink just sitting there in the open can introduce all sorts of contaminants into the cartridges not to mention he never agitated the ink before filling the syringe first, plus he's mixing old and new inks.

As for his description of his exclusive reprogrammer that he later mentions in his shoddy video as a resetter, Ops because that’s exactly what it is a RESETTER.

I don’t know if I would have the confidence to purchase anything from this guy’s website after the way he describes his inks as specially formulated and the bog standard Chinese resetter as a reprogrammer that he only stocks, rant over.. :rant

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